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by Moggy » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:47 pm

$ilva $hadow wrote: or even vote in pew polls in support of gay killings and killing non muslims, those are the people who deserve a bullet and why we have an army.


People who vote in a poll deserve a bullet? :lol:

I am not responding again. Your views are abhorrent and are basically just the other side of the coin to the Islamic extremists that you say you despise. The very fact you used words like “virtue signalling” and “white knighting” shows the level of debate you are capable of and it is really not worth my time.

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by Garth » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:49 pm

I think all religions are gooseberry fool but I don't see the connection between Trump declaring Jerusalem the capital of Israel and the end of Islam, a religion followed by over 1.8 billion people around the world. It's a dumb move which will just push more people into extremism.

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by <]:^D » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:50 pm

hey Silva Shadow, can you piss off again? thx

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by Knoyleo » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:51 pm

$ilva really mellowed out in his time away, then. :roll:

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by Karl » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:52 pm

Every religious text has bits in that say "kill outsiders, and if you don't, you'll go to hell." Every religion has been used to justify violence. You must be actually for-real very thick to think it's only Islam that has nutters.

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by Moggy » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:53 pm

Garth wrote:I think all religions are gooseberry fool but I don't see the connection between Trump declaring Jerusalem the capital of Israel and the end of Islam, a religion followed by over 1.8 billion people around the world. It's a dumb move which will just push more people into extremism.


Exactly. The vast majority of Muslims are peaceful and will remain so no matter what Trump says, but Trump declaring Jerusalem to be the capital of Israel is only going to inflame things and make it far easier for groups like ISIS to recruit new supporters.

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by Ad7 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:12 pm

I blame the gourmet crusaders

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PostRe: US Politics - Mueller subpoenas Trump's Deutsche Bank accounts
by Tafdolphin » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:23 pm

Can someone make a "When is $ilva going away?" thread plz

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by $ilva $hadow » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:36 pm

Tell Karl his brother is dead wrote:Every religious text has bits in that say "kill outsiders, and if you don't, you'll go to hell." Every religion has been used to justify violence. You must be actually for-real very thick to think it's only Islam that has nutters.



Except I don't 'for-real' believe that it's only islam that has these nutters.

See this is the problem with this one religion in this very moment in time. You talk about islam, and some white dude who knows nothing (no offence staydad) about islam, will tell you how abhorrent you are for thinking no other religion has dirty texts like these. People like that will conveniently ignore what has been said, and respond to what they think was said, or what they think they heard or they will try to combat some perceived idea that was never said.

So any time we talk about islam, we have to hear everyone who wants to be seen as far way from racist, mention that christianity has these texts or some other religion, conveniently ignoring again that those texts in those religions directly influenced violence and those ways of thinking. If we talk about christianity, no one jumps on the bandwagon to say how islam is so bad with these texts. When we talk about violence against women (domestic abuse and misogyny in marriages and relationships), we don't try to sideline the issue by saying women are just as bad as men and that it's not only men who do it. Who walks into a womens domestic violence shelter and berates them for being around women only when not all men in the world are bad? In fact 99 percent of the men in this world are peaceful, yet look at most of the violent people doing crazy stuff, they're all men.

All a bunch of nonsense, fallacies and virtue signalling to show how not racist people are.


Try actually reading the quran, try not to be a white person asking a brown person "hey violence is bad, don't you agree?". Try to be a brown person who grows up around muslims, try being a brown person around 9/11 and your peaceful muslim friends think you're open to influence, try listening to them laugh about 9/11. Try being brown and not having muslims lie to your face about what islam is. If you're white, your view on islam is more likely warped because you believe the lies that islam followers spread in the face of a culture that demonises violence against women and gays.

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by $ilva $hadow » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:39 pm

Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:
$ilva $hadow wrote: or even vote in pew polls in support of gay killings and killing non muslims, those are the people who deserve a bullet and why we have an army.


People who vote in a poll deserve a bullet? :lol:

I am not responding again. Your views are abhorrent and are basically just the other side of the coin to the Islamic extremists that you say you despise. The very fact you used words like “virtue signalling” and “white knighting” shows the level of debate you are capable of and it is really not worth my time.




What you're advocating is tolerance of intolerance. What you're trying to imply is that I'm for killing innocent muslims out of nowhere, which is false.

I just think that a vote carries power, and if you vote for intolerance, you should have intolerance inflicted upon you. Think about what voting really is. You're enforcing something through force, you're voting for a government body to enforce something with the threat of violence. What does that say if you vote to have gays thrown off buildings or tortured to death? What does that say if you vote to have non muslims put to death?

You want to think in terms of nonsense and lies,to make yourself feel better, so you can say "awwwww they're all evil, I'm the only good one over here." It's lame and retarded though.

Feel free to despise me, but don't do it under false pretences. I'm not advocating for the killing of anyone except those that offer violence first. If you're a religious bigot and you want to pick up a rifle, then you deserve the bullet. If you pick up violence in the name of your religion, you deserve violence. There is no reasoning with violence and ignorance. You can only save those willing to listen, but those who aren't willing to listen, and advocate for shariah law and islamic values which are obviously violent? They deserve the bullet if they don't want to go back to their own country and suffer under those disgusting laws.

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PostRe: US Politics - Mueller subpoenas Trump's Deutsche Bank accounts
by OrangeRKN » Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:56 pm

Jerusalem being recognised as the capital of Israel by the US will increase tensions in the region, and I fail to see how it contribute to a decline in islam. If you want to reduce religiously motivated violence, you should promote religious tolerance. If there are beliefs and behaviour you want removed from the world (as well we should with the issues you mention such as misogyny and homophobia), history would suggest reformation and moderation as a more viable strategy than conflict and repression.

The moderate Christianity common here in the UK wasn't achieved through demonising the religion and its followers. It has been achieved with religious tolerance and freedom.

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by Karl » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:24 pm

$ilva $hadow wrote:
Tell Karl his brother is dead wrote:Every religious text has bits in that say "kill outsiders, and if you don't, you'll go to hell." Every religion has been used to justify violence. You must be actually for-real very thick to think it's only Islam that has nutters.

Except I don't 'for-real' believe that it's only islam that has these nutters.

Then why are you singling them out as a whole religion? If you said "all religion is stupid" I would be behind you. If you said "ISIS are pricks" then yeah, for sure. If you said "Hamas should stop launching rockets" then I would basically agree (though I don't think it's quite that simple).

What you've done is come into a tenuously related topic to rant about how you think Islam is in some sense inherently 'bad':

$ilva $hadow wrote:The followers of islam in all islamic nations overwhelmingly support the idea of destruction of everything non islamic. Why should anyone extend kindness to such an evil ideology? To claim being peaceful and being muslim is an oxymoron. [...] You know what is driving people to extremist views and causing more tension? It's the existence of islam amongst uneducated populaces

Beyond some of it being demonstrably false, that's just not the mindset of a sensible person that's concerned about beating ISIS and stopping terrorism. It's the mindset of a crazy alt-righter.

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PostRe: US Politics - Mueller subpoenas Trump's Deutsche Bank accounts
by Squinty » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:41 pm

KK wrote:Send in peace envoy, Tony Blair.


TONTY BLAIR?!?!?

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by Errkal » Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:42 pm

Squinty wrote:
KK wrote:Send in peace envoy, Tony Blair.


TONTY BLAIR?!?!?


No his brother Tony.

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PostRe: US Politics - Mueller subpoenas Trump's Deutsche Bank accounts
by Irene Demova » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:45 pm



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by $ilva $hadow » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:47 pm

We're talking about Israel and Palestine. All logic points to the crazy jews being a better deal than the crazy muslims. We can make the comments less inflammatory but then I'm going to get bored posting. If we're talking in this context, it's pretty ridiculous to point out that islam is being singled out, because we're viewing it on a spectrum where islam is top dog at strawberry floating kids, killing gays, raping women, and then you got the other religious nuts, but hand on heart, which suicide bomber and mass shooter is turning out any other religion than islam when religious motivations are at hand? None.


Can you imagine going to a womens right conference and complaining about people singling out misogyny and then saying that there's lots of misandrists out there and why are we still singling out misogynists? See how ridiculous that sounds? Ridiculous and islam go hand in hand though, so it's no surprise people go full retard when talking about. It's just surprising to me that the very people who would be victims under islam are the ones who jump up to defend it, while exmuslims and people who have studied islam, are the ones who are called racist and ignorant.


I think you need to get away from shitty labels like "alt righter" and "hurr durr racist". It doesn't add anything to the topic, and just makes people look like ignorant twats hiding behind labels. If you ask me "do you want all muslims to die or be killed?" You know the answer to that is no, but if you rephrase it as "do you want to wipe out islam with education and not tolerating intolerance?" The answer is yes. This rush to throw out accusations of racism, alt righters, trump apologists....it's all garbage nonsense for virtue signallers. Yes I get it, you're not racist, but you're a pussy hiding behind those labels.

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PostRe: US Politics - Mueller subpoenas Trump's Deutsche Bank accounts
by Errkal » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:53 pm

In the nicest possible way, your a strawberry floating idiot and need to seriously take a look at yourself and your views as they are the worst kind of disgusting.

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by Rex Kramer » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:59 pm

If you're free next week I could really do with using that broad brush you're painting over a billion people with to paint my lounge.

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by Nibble » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:11 pm

$ilva $hadow wrote:
I think you need to get away from shitty labels


Virtue signalling. Virtue signalling. Virtue signalling. Virtue signalling. Virtue signalling...

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PostRe: US Politics - Mueller subpoenas Trump's Deutsche Bank accounts
by Karl » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:32 pm

$ilva $hadow wrote:We're talking about Israel and Palestine.

We were until you came in and started shitposting about Muslims. If you want to say something specific about Hamas, do that instead of frothing at the mouth about how evil you think Islam is and making yourself look like a clueless prick.

$ilva $hadow wrote:hand on heart, which suicide bomber and mass shooter is turning out any other religion than islam when religious motivations are at hand? None.

The highest rate of LGBT killings per capita is arguably in Brazil. The Protestant terrorist group Army of God conducted a shooting in Colorado Springs in 2015. Sri Lanka's Buddhist terrorist organisation Bodu Bala Sena incited anti-Muslim riots in 2014. A Hindu 'paramilitary' organisation Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh bombed a Sufi shrine in 2007. The Christian cult Lord's Resistance Army killed thousands and trafficked children for sex in the late 2000s. The East Asian mystical sect Aum Shinrikyo was behind the sarin gas attack in Tokyo in 1995. Fundamentalist Orthodox Jewish terror organisation Revolt was behind anti-Palestinian arson attacks in 2015. The Sikh radical group Khalistan Commando Force assassinated Indian politician Beant Singh in 1995. I could go on...?

$ilva $hadow wrote:Can you imagine going to a womens right conference and complaining about people singling out misogyny and then saying that there's lots of misandrists out there and why are we still singling out misogynists? See how ridiculous that sounds?

You've made this analogy twice now and I don't understand it. I suspect this is because it makes no sense, but feel free to elaborate.


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