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by lex-man » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:00 pm

There is only one driving test in the Americas. My brother learned on an automatic in Canada and managed to swap his licence for one that allows him to drive manual and automatic.
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by Garth » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:42 pm



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by Alvin Flummux » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:48 pm

What the hell is wrong with him?
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by KK » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:58 pm

That's actually fake news. There's another angle of that somewhere that will reveal the teen that handed it to him was also the one to receive it back.
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by Memento Mori » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:58 pm

Alzheimer's. Probably forgot why he was even holding the hat.
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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:27 pm

Is anyone else finding that this whole NK and US stuff is just hot air, it seems that they've settled into a back and forth game of "if you hit me, I'll hit you back". Pretty much just repeating the same stuff everyday but slightly reworded.
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by Alvin Flummux » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:31 pm

Pence stated today that the strategy of "Strategic Patience" has come to an end, and H.R. McMaster said that the NK thing is coming to a head.

I don't know what'll happen, but it feels like we're scarily close to a resumption of open hostilities. I guess the ball's in China's court now.
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by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:37 pm

I dunno over the last couples of days I'm just not expecting anything to happen. If trump seriously thinks North Korea is going to do anything thing he needs to move a lot more military resources to the area, just sending one carrier isn't enough. Yes I know they have 30,000 troops in SK and more in Japan but that's nothing really. I don't think NK will do anything and I don't believe the US is serious enough about starting something. I think Hostilities can only come from something unexpected, a coup in NK, a NK missile launch going wrong and hitting SK or Japan.
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by Alvin Flummux » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:46 pm

I think that Trump could be trying to call North Korea's bluff by sending in that carrier group. A man-up or shut up situation. Of course, it likely wasn't his idea to do that.

I can only imagine what kind of revelations we'll start hearing in the years to come about close calls on the nuclear war front, averted in the nick of time by the right people advising and restraining Trump's ire at the right times.
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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Meep » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:12 pm

IMO, I think North Korea has had some dangerous levels of appeasement in the past. I'm not entirely unconvinced we should not just call their bluff and say "if you do even one more nuclear test we will bomb every air base you have and make sure you don't have another one". It seems extreme but so is a nuclear strike that they keep threatening. We know from history that appeasing men like that is safer in the short term but very dangerous in the long term.

It might antagonise China but not existentially. There could be economic impacts but they are not seriously going to engage militarily with the US for the sake of NK.
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by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:18 pm

If the US were to going to decide that they need to launch a massive strike at NK missile sites and various facilities then I'm very confident that NK launch a massive bombardment of Seoul and send all their troops over the border in a full roll of the dice. Just throw everything they have.

Ultimately it won't happen and trump will probably make a deal for a golf course just outside Pyongyang
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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Garth » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:22 pm

Yeah I think the major concern is what NK would do to SK in retaliation. No-one wants to trigger a war that could cause so much death and destruction.
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by Alvin Flummux » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:25 pm

Garth wrote:Yeah I think the major concern is what NK would do to SK in retaliation. No-one wants to trigger a war that could cause so much death and destruction.


Not without some safeguards in place to mitigate the opposition's field capabilities, like a wave of MOAB strikes on NK artillery positions and advancing army groups, or something.

That million man army would be tough to kill off without some serious force multipliers though.
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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:28 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:
Garth wrote:Yeah I think the major concern is what NK would do to SK in retaliation. No-one wants to trigger a war that could cause so much death and destruction.


Not without some safeguards in place to mitigate the opposition's field capabilities, like a wave of MOAB strikes on NK artillery positions and advancing army groups, or something.

That million man army would be tough to kill off without some serious force multipliers though.


This is the big problem for the US, they can't possibly take out all the NK army and artillery positions straight away. Seoul will be in ruins.
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by Alvin Flummux » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:43 pm

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Garth wrote:Yeah I think the major concern is what NK would do to SK in retaliation. No-one wants to trigger a war that could cause so much death and destruction.


Not without some safeguards in place to mitigate the opposition's field capabilities, like a wave of MOAB strikes on NK artillery positions and advancing army groups, or something.

That million man army would be tough to kill off without some serious force multipliers though.


This is the big problem for the US, they can't possibly take out all the NK army and artillery positions straight away. Seoul will be in ruins.


This is where a network of underground bunkers for civilian use would come in handy. Surely SK hasn't just been sitting on its hands this whole time?

I can see the term "acceptable losses" and "collateral damage" being bandied around the war rooms of the Americans and their allies, even now, especially now, in reference to the possibility of the resumption of the war.
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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Peter Crisp » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:29 am

The problem is the North has had decades to dig themselves in and shield the artillery from pretty much anything short of direct nuclear strikes.
Most countries wouldn't be able to do that mainly because it would cost so much and because they aren't so paranoid and just plain bonkers.
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by Alvin Flummux » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:30 am

Peter Crisp wrote:The problem is the North has had decades to dig themselves in and shield the artillery from pretty much anything short of direct nuclear strikes.
Most countries wouldn't be able to do that mainly because it would cost so much and because they aren't so paranoid and just plain bonkers.


The US has a wide array of bunker-busting missiles, I'm sure the NK artillery isn't that invulnerable.
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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Peter Crisp » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:31 am

Alvin Flummux wrote:This is where a network of underground bunkers for civilian use would come in handy. Surely SK hasn't just been sitting on its hands this whole time?

I can see the term "acceptable losses" and "collateral damage" being bandied around the war rooms of the Americans and their allies, even now, especially now, in reference to the possibility of the resumption of the war.


I have a feeling the South Koreans themselves have a rather different idea about what they see as acceptable and the capital being flattened in the first day of any war would be seen as rather less than ideal.
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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Alvin Flummux » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:32 am

Peter Crisp wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:This is where a network of underground bunkers for civilian use would come in handy. Surely SK hasn't just been sitting on its hands this whole time?

I can see the term "acceptable losses" and "collateral damage" being bandied around the war rooms of the Americans and their allies, even now, especially now, in reference to the possibility of the resumption of the war.


I have a feeling the South Koreans themselves have a rather different idea about what they see as acceptable and the capital being flattened in the first day of any war would be seen as rather less than ideal.


Maybe they should've moved their political center to a less vulnerable city, then?
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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Peter Crisp » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:33 am

Alvin Flummux wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:The problem is the North has had decades to dig themselves in and shield the artillery from pretty much anything short of direct nuclear strikes.
Most countries wouldn't be able to do that mainly because it would cost so much and because they aren't so paranoid and just plain bonkers.


The US has a wide array of bunker-busting missiles, I'm sure the NK artillery isn't that invulnerable.


I'm sure they do but the problem is North Korea will know this and have an absolute shitload of sites all trained on that city.
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