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by Harry Ola » Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:45 pm




I hope this nonsense means he's feeling under pressure again and there's another shoe about to drop.

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by $ilva $hadow » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:09 pm

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$ilva $hadow wrote::lol: Knowledge over ignorance, what shitty subtle attempt at a jab.

I wasn't attempting subtlety. Your behaviour is ignorant.

You were presented with evidence that contradicts your own opinion and chose to disregard it. Which suggests that the views you hold are beliefs rather than opinions.

Ironically, I'm sure you and I would agree that this is a problem among some religious groups.

Where behaviour is abhorrent, criticise, but treating an entire group so despicably because of the actions of a tiny minority is a disgusting, ignorant thing to do.

Jab jab.




Mate, you tried a subtle jab and I'm just not bothered in trying to explain to you that you can't be an extremist bhuddhist because in bhuddist literature, there is nothing that calls for violence, so when you try to compare 'violent' bhuddhists against known terrorists and islamic speakers who directly quote the quran and then blow themselves up, or encourage others to do so, you look like severely ignorant to people who actually research this gooseberry fool.

An extremist bhuddist can never draw from his/her religion, a verse that supports violence. The mechanism for bhuddists renounce this behaviour as unbhuddist like is there, but this is not the case with islam.


What you're just trying to do, is take my emotionally charged words and try to twist them to fit your narrative that I want all innocent muslims to die, when in fact that's not the case. I want christians, muslims, and any other religious people to pay for their behaviour, their calls for violence, I want them taken out by our military in other countries or I want them to be arrested, jailed, prosecuted and sent back to their hell hole islamic country. I don't want that rotherham gooseberry fool to happen to children because white people are too scared of retaliation from a religion known for barbarism, and I don't want ignorant people like you to try and appear like some sort of saviour just because you pointed out christianity is riddled with this gooseberry fool too, pretending like people don't want to put christianity through a strawberry floating wall already.

You stick to your white knighting for the 'brown' religion and make sure everyone knows how racist you aren't. To me, you're clearly uneducated on the mechanisms these religions have for justifying violence, if you're seriously trying to compare an 'extremist' bhuddist to an extremist christian or muslim. There is nowhere for bhuddists to point to violent texts in bhuddism that could exonerate anyone for crimes against humanity, unlike christianity and islam. You didn't present any evidence at all, not a single bit of evidence, it was all garbage, trying to compare non religious violence to religious violence.

I'm trying to not be condescending, but don't throw that gooseberry fool at me and then cry to the mods and ask for gooseberry fool be banned/locked or closed. If you want to have a civilised debate, be civilised yourself and then expect others to follow suit, just like bhuddism expects you to meet violence with non violence.


:lol: Evidence and knowledge :lol: even a quick google and a small bit of thinking would let anyone know you can't compare bhuddism to islam or christianity.

Someone strawberry floating change my username to evidence and logic pls.

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by Tineash » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:13 pm

Buddhist nationalism is a major force in the ongoing persecution and genocide of Rohingya muslims in Myanmar.

Your islamophobic bullshit is wrong-headed and tedious.

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by Moggy » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:27 pm

Is Silva still going? :slol:

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PostRe: US Politics - Mueller subpoenas Trump's Deutsche Bank accounts
by Karl » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:31 pm

$ilva $hadow wrote:I'm just not bothered in trying to explain to you that you can't be an extremist bhuddhist because in bhuddist literature, there is nothing that calls for violence, so when you try to compare 'violent' bhuddhists against known terrorists and islamic speakers who directly quote the quran and then blow themselves up, or encourage others to do so, you look like severely ignorant to people who actually research this gooseberry fool.

An extremist bhuddist can never draw from his/her religion, a verse that supports violence. The mechanism for bhuddists renounce this behaviour as unbhuddist like is there, but this is not the case with islam.

To me, you're clearly uneducated on the mechanisms these religions have for justifying violence, if you're seriously trying to compare an 'extremist' bhuddist to an extremist christian or muslim. There is nowhere for bhuddists to point to violent texts in bhuddism that could exonerate anyone for crimes against humanity, unlike christianity and islam. You didn't present any evidence at all, not a single bit of evidence, it was all garbage, trying to compare non religious violence to religious violence.

I'm trying to not be condescending, but don't throw that gooseberry fool at me and then cry to the mods and ask for gooseberry fool be banned/locked or closed. If you want to have a civilised debate, be civilised yourself and then expect others to follow suit, just like bhuddism expects you to meet violence with non violence.

:lol: Evidence and knowledge :lol: even a quick google and a small bit of thinking would let anyone know you can't compare bhuddism to islam or christianity.

Why do you believe this total nonsense? Here's Theravāda Buddhism on ethnic cleansing:

And thereon the king said again to them: 'How shall there be any comfort for me, O venerable sirs, since by me was caused the slaughter of a great host numbering millions?'
'From this deed arises no hindrance in thy way to heaven. Only one and a half human beings have been slain here by thee, O lord of men. The one had come unto the (three) refuges, the other had taken on himself the five precepts. Unbelievers and men of evil life were the rest, not more to be esteemed than beasts. But as for thee, thou wilt bring glory to the doctrine of the Buddha in manifold ways; therefore cast away care from thy heart, O ruler of men!'
Mahāvamsa 25:108-111.

Wow, so pacifistic. And that passage and others like it are being used to justify violence today.

There are passages just like that in every religion. Saying "I think religious people who justify their violence with their beliefs are mental and should be punished" is obviously completely reasonable. Saying "...And them Muslims are the worst because Islam is the most evil!!!" is unsupported by reason and at best quite ignorant.

If you love rationalism, up your game and reconsider your silly opinions.

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PostRe: US Politics - FCC repeals Net Neutrality
by Harry Ola » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:18 am

So shortly before the GOP approve a deeply unpopular tax bill and it looks increasingly likely that some in the GOP will give Trump cover to meddle with Mueller, at least ....


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by Meep » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:27 am

The recent FFC ruling and tax reforms are deeply depressing. I have sort of given hope of the current arc of western civilisation ending peacefully. When people like Trump masquerade as friends of the people and then accelerate cronyism all it does is obliterate any faith left in democratic processes. Imagining what the level of rage and anger out there is going to be in ten years time makes me nervous. Ironically, its the elite now in charge who are writing their own eulogies. History paints a colourful picture of what happens when a decadent and out of touch cabal start assuming they are untouchable and it isn't pretty.

Soon the world will be entering a new industrial revolution based on AI and robotics. I had hoped that the gains of this would be evenly spread and that the disruption to labour this causes would be mitigated, but I think we can now agree that that is a very optimistic view. More than likely the owners of the technology will use it to entrench and increase their own wealth and cast more and more into the gutter right up until the public decide to take it out of their hands. Some socialists will probably be rubbing their hands together in glee at this prospect but history also tells us how that usually turns out.

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by Garth » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:15 am

Mueller obtains "tens of thousands” of Trump transition emails

Special Counsel Robert Mueller has obtained “many tens of thousands" of Trump transition emails, including emails of Jared Kushner, transition team sources tell Axios.

- Trump officials discovered Mueller had the emails when his prosecutors used them as the basis for questions to witnesses, the sources said.
- The emails include 12 accounts, one of which contains about 7,000 emails, the sources said.
- The accounts include the team's political leadership and the foreign-policy team, the sources said.

Why it matters: The transition emails are said to include sensitive exchanges on matters that include potential appointments, gossip about the views of particular senators involved in the confirmation process, speculation about vulnerabilities of Trump nominees, strategizing about press statements, and policy planning on everything from war to taxes.

- “Mueller is using the emails to confirm things, and get new leads," a transition source told me.

How it happened: The sources say Mueller obtained the emails from the General Services Administration, the government agency that hosted the transition email system, which had addresses ending in “ptt.gov," for Presidential Transition Team.

Taking fight public: Charging "unlawful conduct," Kory Langhofer, counsel for the transition team, wrote in a letter to congressional committees Saturday that "career staff at the General Services Administration ... have unlawfully produced [transition team] private materials, including privileged communications, to the Special Counsel's Office."

- The seven-page later, obtained by Axios, says: "We understand that the Special Counsel's Office has subsequently made extensive use of the materials it obtained from the GSA, including materials that are susceptible to privilege claims."
- The letter says this was a violation of Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable search and seizure.
- "Additionally, certain portions of the [transition] materials the Special Counsel's Office obtained from the GSA, including materials that are susceptible to privilege claims, have been leaked to the press by unknown persons."

The Special Counsel's office said: "We will decline to comment."

The transition sources said they were surprised about the emails because they have been in touch with Mueller's team and have cooperated.

The twist: The sources say that transition officials assumed that Mueller would come calling, and had sifted through the emails and separated the ones they considered privileged. But the sources said that was for naught, since Mueller has the complete cache from the dozen accounts.

https://www.axios.com/scoop-mueller-obt ... 94590.html



With Mueller having all the transition team emails already, and then asking the transition team to send their emails to him with the transition team leaving out any they didn't want him seeing, they basically told Mueller which emails to read first :lol:

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by Tafdolphin » Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:50 am

Those whacky Republicans are at it again!

Republicans accused of concocting email scandal against Mueller claim that investigators wrongfully obtained emails of president’s transition team are dismissed as ‘baloney’ and a ploy to discredit Trump-Russia inquiry

The materials included communications from more than a dozen Trump officials, including Michael Flynn.

Republicans have been accused of trying to discredit Trump-Russia investigator Robert Mueller by inventing a claim that his inquiry inappropriately gained access to emails from the president’s transition team.

The complaint from the Trump for America group comes a day after a warning from Adam Schiff, a senior Democrat, that top Republicans are manoeuvring to shut down the House intelligence committee’s Trump–Russia inquiry and weaken Mueller. Some reports suggest Donald Trump is considering firing Mueller, whom he appointed as special counsel to oversee the FBI and justice department investigation of contacts between the Russian government and Trump’s election campaign.

On Saturday it emerged that Mueller’s investigation has gained access to thousands of emails sent and received by officials on Donald Trump’s transition team, which operated between his election and swearing-in.

Kory Langhofer, general counsel for the transition group, has written to the Republican chairs of the House oversight committee and the Senate homeland security committee about what the transition contends was an “unauthorized” disclosure of its emails by the General Services Administration (GSA).

The GSA is a government agency that has supported presidential transitions in recent years and typically houses electronic transition records in its computer system. The transition team says the GSA did not get its permission to hand over the emails.

But Eric Swalwell, a Democrat on the House intelligence committee, said: “This is another attempt to discredit Mueller as his Trump–Russia probe tightens.

“‘Private documents’ on a US government, public email system? What are they afraid was found? Baloney.”

In a series of tweets, Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor, said the Republicans were “playing politics – but this is a bad sign for them”.

Of course Mueller obtained emails from a third party,” he said. “Prosecutors in most white collar criminal investigations do that. It’s not ‘inappropriate’ or even unusual. Anyone who claims otherwise has no idea what they’re talking about.”

In an interview with Buzzfeed News, the GSA deputy counsel, Lenny Loewentritt, said the Trump transition team were told when they were given access to GSA facilities that any material “would not be held back in any law enforcement” situation. “Therefore, no expectation of privacy can be assumed.”

A spokesperson for Mueller told Buzzfeed: “When we have obtained emails in the course of our ongoing criminal investigation, we have secured either the account owner’s consent or appropriate criminal process.”

Trump-Russia: Republicans trying to kill off investigation, says Adam Schiff
Among the officials who used transition email accounts was former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who pleaded guilty to a count of making false statements to FBI agents in January and is now cooperating with Mueller’s investigation. Flynn was fired by Trump in February for misleading senior administration officials about his contacts with Russia’s ambassador to the US.

On Friday, Trump added to perceptions he is trying to undermine Mueller’s investigation by declining to rule out a pardon for Flynn.

It’s unclear how revelatory the email accounts maintained by the GSA will be for Mueller. Several high-level Trump advisers sometimes used other email accounts to communicate about transition issues between election day and the inauguration.

Jay Sekulow, an attorney on Trump’s personal legal team, referred questions to the transition group. Neither GSA representatives nor Flynn attorney Robert Kelner were immediately available to respond to emailed requests for comment.

The media site Axios first reported on the transfer of the emails to Mueller’s team.

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by KK » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:37 pm

Watching Trump’s speech today, I’ve never seen someone (who doesn’t have arthritis) have to continually use two hands to drink a small glass of water.

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by Saint of Killers » Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:55 am

So uh, does Trump's peace through strength slogan sound kinda... Third Reich-ish to anyone else? :dread:

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by Trelliz » Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:13 am

I wonder if anyone's done the "obama sings" thing with trump but instead make him say translated versions of hitler speeches, and how many people would agree with them.

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by Moggy » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:11 am

Saint of Killers wrote:So uh, does Trump's peace through strength slogan sound kinda... Third Reich-ish to anyone else? :dread:


It sounds more 1984ish to me.

Plus there's no way Trump could spell krieg macht frei.

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by Rightey » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:18 am

Saint of Killers wrote:So uh, does Trump's peace through strength slogan sound kinda... Third Reich-ish to anyone else? :dread:


Hate to break this to you but Hitler wasn't the first one to come up with that slogan, it basically goes back as early as Plato...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Si_vis_pacem,_para_bellum

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by Harry Ola » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:23 am

What every Empire has found, including the Romans and the jolly old British, is that force does not create real peace, only lull. Eventually the Empire falls.

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by Moggy » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:23 am

Rightey wrote:
Saint of Killers wrote:So uh, does Trump's peace through strength slogan sound kinda... Third Reich-ish to anyone else? :dread:


Hate to break this to you but Hitler wasn't the first one to come up with that slogan, it basically goes back as early as Plato...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Si_vis_pacem,_para_bellum


I am sure Trump often reads Plato.

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by Saint of Killers » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:25 am

Rightey wrote:
Saint of Killers wrote:So uh, does Trump's peace through strength slogan sound kinda... Third Reich-ish to anyone else? :dread:


Hate to break this to you but Hitler wasn't the first one to come up with that slogan, it basically goes back as early as Plato...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Si_vis_pacem,_para_bellum


Well it shouldn't surprise given the amount of things they stole for their shitty movement. Also whilst its origins may go as far back as they do, it's just one of the many things to be tainted by the Nazis and so anyone normal would surely think twice before deciding to use it for their own political purposes.

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by Tafdolphin » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:26 am

As is tradition, Trump has been added to Disney's Hall of Presidents:


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