US Politics - Trump cancels summit having to do with North Korea

PostRe: The American Politics Thread by KK » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:38 pm

How Americans in bum strawberry float nowhere think of Trump's first week...

"I believe in the pipeline; I also believe in global warming but you can’t have everything,”

“You can give readers 50 facts that show that Trump is wrong, but when he portrays us in the media industry as the bad guys, that seems to outweigh all those facts.”

There has been much debate in recent months about the phenomenon of social media “echo chambers” in which people consume only news that conforms to their prior beliefs, thus separating Americans into increasingly partisan camps. On the right, the proliferation of ideological websites such as Breitbart and fake news outlets on Facebook have allowed millions of voters to bypass mainstream media entirely, gaining their information in forms that merely reinforce their prejudices.

“The easy thing is to find the outlet you like and repeat what they say. If you like Breitbart then everything they say is the truth, if you like Drudge or InfoWars then everything they say is the truth,” said Ben Shapiro, former editor-at-large of Breitbart, who now runs his own conservative site the Daily Wire.

In Macomb County, though, a slightly different narrative appears to be unfolding. It’s not that people are living in their own media bubbles so much as they are actively choosing to ignore news that they do not want to hear, or even more alarmingly, receiving no news at all.

“I don’t know what’s going on, I have no idea,” said Doreen McVay, 47, a waitress in Angelo’s diner in Sterling Heights

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ters-media

These echo chambers are so true - NeoGaf epitomises it 100%.

PostRe: The American Politics Thread by **Mafro** » Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:39 pm

Some of that sounds like it could be from the Onion :lol:

KKLEIN wrote:How Americans in bum strawberry float nowhere think of Trump's first week...

"I believe in the pipeline; I also believe in global warming but you can’t have everything,”

“You can give readers 50 facts that show that Trump is wrong, but when he portrays us in the media industry as the bad guys, that seems to outweigh all those facts.”

There has been much debate in recent months about the phenomenon of social media “echo chambers” in which people consume only news that conforms to their prior beliefs, thus separating Americans into increasingly partisan camps. On the right, the proliferation of ideological websites such as Breitbart and fake news outlets on Facebook have allowed millions of voters to bypass mainstream media entirely, gaining their information in forms that merely reinforce their prejudices.

“The easy thing is to find the outlet you like and repeat what they say. If you like Breitbart then everything they say is the truth, if you like Drudge or InfoWars then everything they say is the truth,” said Ben Shapiro, former editor-at-large of Breitbart, who now runs his own conservative site the Daily Wire.

In Macomb County, though, a slightly different narrative appears to be unfolding. It’s not that people are living in their own media bubbles so much as they are actively choosing to ignore news that they do not want to hear, or even more alarmingly, receiving no news at all.

“I don’t know what’s going on, I have no idea,” said Doreen McVay, 47, a waitress in Angelo’s diner in Sterling Heights

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ters-media

These echo chambers are so true - NeoGaf epitomises it 100%.

I do worry that I fall into this trap sometimes. I find it increasingly difficult to read any article supportive of Trump these days. Not healthy, I need to back that gooseberry fool up.

Mafro wrote:Some of that sounds like it could be from the Onion

Trump is going to put them out of business.

Lagamorph wrote:
Mafro wrote:Some of that sounds like it could be from the Onion

Trump is going to put them out of business.

On the contrary, he's going to make them the new Breibart.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

It'll be on a million by tomorrow.

PostRe: The American Politics Thread by KK » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:43 am

Trump flippantly mentioning World War 3...this from a man that has a history of projecting his own flaws onto everyone else. We're in farcical territory.

PostRe: The American Politics Thread by KK » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:57 am

Trump is on the Christian Broadcasting Network tonight giving ANOTHER TV interview. For a President he seems to spend an awful lot of time tweeting, giving interviews and watching news channels.

PostRe: The American Politics Thread by **Rightey** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:19 am

KKLEIN wrote:How Americans in bum strawberry float nowhere think of Trump's first week...

In Macomb County, though, a slightly different narrative appears to be unfolding. It’s not that people are living in their own media bubbles so much as they are actively choosing to ignore news that they do not want to hear, or even more alarmingly, receiving no news at all.

“I don’t know what’s going on, I have no idea,” said Doreen McVay, 47, a waitress in Angelo’s diner in Sterling Heights

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ters-media

These echo chambers are so true - NeoGaf epitomises it 100%.

Years ago, I worked with a girl who told me she never read/listened to/watched the news because it was "negative".

Seems like this attitude is spreading. :fp:

PostRe: The American Politics Thread by **Lex-Man** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:36 am

Apperently China has said war with America has become a reality. Although I doubt it would go very well for them.

In terms of echo chambers, I think we need to be careful here as there is a tendency on the left and right to only listen to the same few sources that fit a particular world view.

This whole immigration EO thing is nothing short of an absolute mess. It was poorly worded and poorly implemented, it seems obvious no real guidance was issued to border staff which has led to the application of it being apparently mishandled (although we only really have the foreign office assurance on this). If the intention was to ban current green card holders then that is a disgrace and I hope they get sued. I suspect this was deliberate on the part of the Trump administration to get the message over to core supporters that he has "banned the muslims". :fp:

I think the reporting too has been deliberately misleading, it isn't actually a Muslim ban (although the intention was almost certainly that, and he should be nailed on that too) nor have nations been exempt just because Trump has businesses there. There is actually a reason why these nations have been selected and it isn't to do with Trump's business assets. They have enough to nail him on already in terms of bigotry and incompetence without muddying the waters with inaccurate stuff.

PostRe: The American Politics Thread by **Garth** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:15 am

I don't know about you guys, but I'm personally well aware of the arguments from both sides. The info is available to everyone, I make a conscious decision to see Trump as a divisive, dangerous President, and I disagree with many of his policies. I value science and facts based on reality over 'alternative facts' based on people's feelings of how things are, especially when they've been fed negative propaganda for many years and are looking for someone to blame.

A 90 day blanket ban of people from those countries is arguably going to rally more people to the terrorists' cause and further foster anti-West sentiment, rather than keep people safer. In any case, terrorists could come from countries not on the list (like the countries the 9/11 terrorists came from, none of which are on the ban list) or simply wait until the 90 day ban is over. IMO, it's an idiotic move that will do more harm than good in the long run.

PostThe American Politics Thread by **Parksey** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:15 am

Bit of a odd way to try and play devil's advocate on the matter to say: "Hey guys, it isn't *actually* a Muslim ban (though it almost certainly was intended to be)".

That's just splitting hairs. It's bending over backwards a little to make a slight defense of such a policy.

Like someone attempting to shoot you and then saying "hey, look, I'm not all bad, as I actually missed".

At this point, I think Trump has made American more safe from Islamic fundamentalists. I'd imagine most of them are sitting back and just watching the whole place dissolve into lunacy without having to do anything at all.

Parksey wrote:Bit of a odd way to try and play devil's advocate on the matter to say: "Hey guys, it isn't *actually* a Muslim ban (though it almost certainly was intended to be)".

That's just splitting hairs. It's bending over backwards a little to make a slight defense of such a policy.

Like someone attempting to shoot you and then saying "hey, look, I'm not all bad, as I actually missed".

No its isn't. It's making clear to the people that celebrate it as a Muslim ban that it is nothing of the sort, whilst pointing out that it is a thinly veiled attempt at one that is poorly thought out, planned and executed. So even the gooseberry fool stuff he does, he does badly.

PostRe: The American Politics Thread by **Parksey** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:35 am

It is not a Muslim ban in name, but it is in practice.

It isn't an outright Muslim ban, as the restrictions only apply to seven countries.

And then he says stuff like this:

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/amp.cnn. ... ent=safari

Of course, legally, it's a ban against people of those 7 nationalities. Legally.

But in practice, it's a ban on Muslim-majority countries on the basis of "safety and immigration", from a President that has pledged to protect Christians in that area and help them come to the United States.

It's a bizarre defense to say that something you yourself say is "certainly intended" as a Muslim ban, just because it's not been titled "Donald Trump's Big Ban o' Muslims".

Weren't the British government even referring to it as a Muslim ban when discussing the issue with Trump in regards to an exclusion for British passport holders?

PostRe: The American Politics Thread by **Moggy** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:39 am

captain red dog wrote:There is actually a reason why these nations have been selected and it isn't to do with Trump's business assets. They

And that reason is?

Oh, and Trump did originally ask for a "Muslim ban"

Fox News host Jeanine Pirro asked Giuliani whether the ban had anything to do with religion.

“How did the president decide the seven countries?” she asked. “Okay, talk to me.”

“I'll tell you the whole history of it,” Giuliani responded eagerly. “So when [Trump] first announced it, he said, 'Muslim ban.' He called me up. He said, 'Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.' "

Giuliani said he assembled a “whole group of other very expert lawyers on this,” including former U.S. attorney general Michael Mukasey, Rep. Mike McCaul (R-Tex.) and Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.).

“And what we did was, we focused on, instead of religion, danger — the areas of the world that create danger for us,” Giuliani told Pirro. “Which is a factual basis, not a religious basis. Perfectly legal, perfectly sensible. And that's what the ban is based on. It's not based on religion. It's based on places where there are substantial evidence that people are sending terrorists into our country.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... 4285b268ba

PostRe: The American Politics Thread by **Hexx** » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:57 am

Love to know what that 'substantial evidence' is

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