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by Alvin Flummux » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:23 pm

Get ready for massive voter suppression, before and/or after the midterms:

Say hello to the REAL ID Act. It was passed during the Bush years, and it's at long last nearing its completion in 2020. In October of 2020 (immediately prior to the election), it'll be required to board commercial aircraft (this part actually starts next year) or enter federal buildings.

Seems innocuous enough, right? Right. Except for this one itty bitty thing: The Secretary of Homeland Security can designate any federal purpose as requiring it. They could require it to use the Post Office, qualify for social services, or even vote.

So, Trump, the thin-skinned unstable narcissist, with the reliably worm-tongued Steve Bannon whispering horrific nothings into his ears day and night, could stealthily order Homeland Security to require it for federal votes right ahead of either of the big federal elections in the next 4 years - close enough to the elections disenfranchise millions of voters, all entirely legally.

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by Corazon de Leon » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:53 pm

That would cause riots like you've never seen before.

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Mini E » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:54 pm

twitter.com/NoorAjaj/status/826507461540642816



Watch until the end.

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by Alvin Flummux » Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:08 am

The press needs to cover Trump in the same way they would any other autocratic dictator. The normal rules of press interaction have been suspended.

Corazon de Leon wrote:That would cause riots like you've never seen before.


Allowing Trump and Bannon to use that as an excuse to do all sorts of previously unthinkable, absolutely dictatorial things.

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Rightey » Thu Feb 02, 2017 4:08 am

Corazon de Leon wrote:That would cause riots like you've never seen before.


It's all just a slow and steady decline so sadly I don't think it will. The conservative government did something similar here in Canada, getting rid of people being able to vouch for someone else and have that be considered good enough to vote. The idea being that people might lie thus causing election fraud. Studies showed that this doesn't really happen all that often, and that it was basically just a way to disenfranchise Natives and other poor people who are less likely to have proper ID, who are also interestingly enough also less likely to vote Conservative.

But they called it the "Fair Elections Act" and just called people without ID lazy, and so it passed easily, and of course now that we have a different government they won't change the rules as they might be seen as trying to encourage fraud. :fp:

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by Garth » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:23 am

Trump got annoyed with Australia's leader and hung up 25 minutes into what was supposed to be an hour long call:
It should have been one of the most congenial calls for the new commander in chief — a conversation with the leader of Australia, one of America’s staunchest allies, at the end of a triumphant week.

Instead, President Trump blasted Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull over a refu­gee agreement and boasted about the magnitude of his electoral college win, according to senior U.S. officials briefed on the Saturday exchange. Then, 25 minutes into what was expected to be an hour-long call, Trump abruptly ended it.

At one point, Trump informed Turnbull that he had spoken with four other world leaders that day — including Russian President Vladi­mir Putin — and that “this was the worst call by far.”

Trump’s behavior suggests that he is capable of subjecting world leaders, including close allies, to a version of the vitriol he frequently employs against political adversaries and news organizations in speeches and on Twitter.

“This is the worst deal ever,” Trump fumed as Turnbull attempted to confirm that the United States would honor its pledge to take in 1,250 refugees from an Australian detention center.

Trump, who one day earlier had signed an executive order temporarily barring the admissions of refugees, complained that he was “going to get killed” politically and accused Australia of seeking to export the “next Boston bombers.”

Trump returned to the topic late Wednesday night, writing in a message on Twitter, “Do you believe it? The Obama Administration agreed to take thousands of illegal immigrants from Australia. Why? I will study this dumb deal!”

U.S. officials said that Trump has behaved similarly in conversations with leaders of other countries, including Mexico. But his treatment of Turnbull was particularly striking because of the tight bond between the United States and Australia — countries that share intelligence, support one another diplomatically and have fought together in wars including in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Trump also vented anger and touted his political accomplishments in a tense conversation with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, officials said. The two have sparred for months over Trump’s vow to force Mexico to pay for construction of a border wall between the two countries, a conflict that prompted Peña Nieto to cancel a planned meeting with Trump.

Even in conversations marred by hostile exchanges, Trump manages to work in references to his election accomplishments. U.S. officials said that he used his calls with both Turnbull and Peña Nieto to mention his election win or the size of the crowd at his inauguration.

“I don’t want these people,” Trump said. He repeatedly misstated the number of refugees called for in the agreement as 2,000 rather than 1,250, and told Turnbull that it was “my intention” to honor the agreement, a phrase designed to leave the U.S. president wiggle room to back out of the deal in the future, according to a senior U.S. official.

Turnbull told Trump that to honor the agreement, the United States would not have to accept all of the refugees but only to allow them each through the normal vetting procedures. At that, Trump vowed to subject each refu­gee to “extreme vetting,” the senior U.S. official said.

At one point, Turnbull suggested that the two leaders move on from their impasse over refugees to discuss the conflict in Syria and other pressing foreign issues. But Trump demurred and ended the call, making it far shorter than his conversations with Shinzo Abe of Japan, Angela Merkel of Germany, François Hollande of France or Putin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 4d93edf0ea

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Garth » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:43 am

Plans for religious people to get the legal right to discriminate against others:
Leaked Draft of Trump’s Religious Freedom Order Reveals Sweeping Plans to Legalize Discrimination
If signed, the order would create wholesale exemptions for people and organizations who claim religious objections to same-sex marriage, premarital sex, abortion, and trans identity.

 The four-page draft order, a copy of which is currently circulating among federal staff and advocacy organizations, construes religious organizations so broadly that it covers “any organization, including closely held for-profit corporations,” and protects “religious freedom” in every walk of life: “when providing social services, education, or healthcare; earning a living, seeking a job, or employing others; receiving government grants or contracts; or otherwise participating in the marketplace, the public square, or interfacing with Federal, State or local governments.”

The draft order seeks to create wholesale exemptions for people and organizations who claim religious or moral objections to same-sex marriage, premarital sex, abortion, and trans identity, and it seeks to curtail women’s access to contraception and abortion through the Affordable Care Act.

 Language in the draft document specifically protects the tax-exempt status of any organization that “believes, speaks, or acts (or declines to act) in accordance with the belief that marriage is or should be recognized as the union of one man and one woman, sexual relations are properly reserved for such a marriage, male and female and their equivalents refer to an individual’s immutable biological sex as objectively determined by anatomy, physiology, or genetics at or before birth, and that human life begins at conception and merits protection at all stages of life.”

The breadth of the draft order, which legal experts described as “sweeping” and “staggering,” may exceed the authority of the executive branch if enacted. It also, by extending some of its protections to one particular set of religious beliefs, would risk violating the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution.

“This executive order would appear to require agencies to provide extensive exemptions from a staggering number of federal laws—without regard to whether such laws substantially burden religious exercise,” said Marty Lederman, a professor at Georgetown University Law Center and an expert on church-state separation and religious freedom.

The exemptions, Lederman said, could themselves violate federal law or license individuals and private parties to violate federal law. “Moreover,” he added, “the exemptions would raise serious First Amendment questions, as well, because they would go far beyond what the Supreme Court has identified as the limits of permissive religious accommodations.” It would be “astonishing,” he said, “if the Office of Legal Counsel certifies the legality of this blunderbuss order.”

https://www.thenation.com/article/leake ... imination/

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Preezy » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:12 am

Mini E wrote:

twitter.com/NoorAjaj/status/826507461540642816



Watch until the end.

What a bunch of banana splits :|

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by KK » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:44 am

On the Australia story, I think there's the realisation our "special relationship" is also doomed.

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by Moggy » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:02 am

KKLEIN wrote:On the Australia story, I think there's the realisation our "special relationship" is also doomed.


But they held hands!

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Drumstick » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:39 am

America. :lol:

It wouldn't be so funny if it wasn't so depressing. GOP are really going to town on everything.

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by KK » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:04 am

Can't wait to see what Donald Thinskin eventually turns on us over. Maybe it'll be Climate Change, or Russia, or CHI-NAH, or that the Royal Family hate him, or that protesters ruined his big day, or a trade deal, or that we didn't help him invade Mexico, or...

Etc.

"Weak leader, terrible"
"London over-run with Radical Islamic Terrorists. Muslim mayor. Weak. Awful. SAD!"

Look, we know what will be to blame if/when a trade deal between the UK/US falters (Trump) and we know who's going to get the blame for it (May). Trump, Farage, Morgan, Express, Mail, the EU again...they'll all be there sticking the knife in because that's the way they operate. And May will have nobody to blame but herself. Unless of course we now believe a war is inevitable, in which case at least we're on the same side as the US (and Russian?) armies...for now.

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by captain red dog » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:12 am

KKLEIN wrote:On the Australia story, I think there's the realisation our "special relationship" is also doomed.

I'm not so sure. I get the impression that May is probably quite close to Trump's policies personally (especially from her actions as home sec) but knows its politically toxic over here. So I expect her to keep this tightrope act up.

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Benzin » Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:57 am

I'm surprised Trump is even coming over here given the large number of "no-go zones/cities" we have here...

Then again, leaving him stranded in Birmingham on a Saturday night wouldn't be a bad idea...

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Photek » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:08 am

Preezy wrote:
Mini E wrote:

twitter.com/NoorAjaj/status/826507461540642816



Watch until the end.

What a bunch of banana splits :|

That's pretty old I think.

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Victor Mildew » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:11 am

The state of that carpet.

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Preezy » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:12 am

Photek wrote:That's pretty old I think.

Luckily that doesn't stop it being horrible to watch ;)

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Blue Eyes » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:54 am

twitter.com/east_londonista/status/826846911361642501



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by Photek » Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:59 am

Preezy wrote:
Photek wrote:That's pretty old I think.

Luckily that doesn't stop it being horrible to watch ;)

Tweet asks why it isn't trending....

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Hexx » Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:11 am

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