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by Hexx » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:54 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:
Hexx wrote:Did Drummy piss on Moggy's chips when I wasn't looking?


I never really understood this phrase.
Chips are cheap so pissing on them while annoying is hardly the end of the world, if he pissed on your quail egg and smoked salmon on toast then you could get angry but not just chips.


Next time you're about to enjoy some nice hot, crisp, slightly salted chips sat in front of you.

Imagine some fey Bristol wanker turned up and took a steaming wizz on them and denied you your treat.

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by Moggy » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:55 pm

Hexx wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:
Hexx wrote:Did Drummy piss on Moggy's chips when I wasn't looking?


I never really understood this phrase.
Chips are cheap so pissing on them while annoying is hardly the end of the world, if he pissed on your quail egg and smoked salmon on toast then you could get angry but not just chips.


Next time you're about to enjoy some nice hot, crisp, slightly salted chips sat in front of you.

Imagine some fey Bristol wanker turned up and took a steaming wizz on them and denied you your treat.

:toot:


Did you just call Drummy a Bristolian? :dread:

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by Drumstick » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:56 pm

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Drumstick wrote:The thing I will never understand about America is why it detests the idea of (cheaper) health coverage for all citizens so much. Like why do they want to actually pay through the nose for it all and deepen the pockets of the insurance companies. :?


Under the ACA it wasn't cheaper for all citizens - it put up premiums for a lot of younger, healthy people. Which as I understand it is why a lot of people objected to that implementation.

But yes, agree with the general sentiment!

I would like to know how much the premiums of young people actually rose by. Are premiums for the elderly in general more expensive/cheaper than for young folk?

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by OrangeRKN » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:56 pm

Hexx wrote:Yeah but that's the entire point of pooled insurance.

The healthy pay in, but take less out. You're mitigating the risk.

It's why the Republicans noises about "caps" on payouts or removing "high risk" groups is non-sense.


Yeah I know. I just mean I can understand why people object to it - because they are thinking of themselves. Not saying I agree!

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Drumstick » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:57 pm

Moggy wrote:Did you just call Drummy a Bristolian? :dread:

You best watch out because whilst I didn't piss on your chips that night we spent together, I might come back one... nah. :lol:

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by Moggy » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:58 pm

Drumstick wrote:
Moggy wrote:Did you just call Drummy a Bristolian? :dread:

You best watch out because whilst I didn't piss on your chips that night we spent together, I might come back one... nah. :lol:


Shh don't mention that beautiful night we spent together. Leave it in the memory where it belongs. Don't cheapen it by talking about it.

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Hexx » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:59 pm

Drumstick wrote:
OrangeRakoon wrote:
Drumstick wrote:The thing I will never understand about America is why it detests the idea of (cheaper) health coverage for all citizens so much. Like why do they want to actually pay through the nose for it all and deepen the pockets of the insurance companies. :?


Under the ACA it wasn't cheaper for all citizens - it put up premiums for a lot of younger, healthy people. Which as I understand it is why a lot of people objected to that implementation.

But yes, agree with the general sentiment!

I would like to know how much the premiums of young people actually rose by. Are premiums for the elderly in general more expensive/cheaper than for young folk?


Presumably yeah - they're more risk, so higher premiums

That's the whole point of insurance in general - everyone pays into the same pool (different amounts based on risk), those that need to then take out what they need (regardless of what they paid in, what risk they were viewed as)

It's all about sharing costs amongs.

If "the pool" is now bigger due to increased numbers, you might need more healthy people or for them to put in slightly more.

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by Memento Mori » Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:43 pm

Hexx wrote:
Drumstick wrote:
OrangeRakoon wrote:
Drumstick wrote:The thing I will never understand about America is why it detests the idea of (cheaper) health coverage for all citizens so much. Like why do they want to actually pay through the nose for it all and deepen the pockets of the insurance companies. :?


Under the ACA it wasn't cheaper for all citizens - it put up premiums for a lot of younger, healthy people. Which as I understand it is why a lot of people objected to that implementation.

But yes, agree with the general sentiment!

I would like to know how much the premiums of young people actually rose by. Are premiums for the elderly in general more expensive/cheaper than for young folk?


Presumably yeah - they're more risk, so higher premiums

That's the whole point of insurance in general - everyone pays into the same pool (different amounts based on risk), those that need to then take out what they need (regardless of what they paid in, what risk they were viewed as)

It's all about sharing costs amongs.

If "the pool" is now bigger due to increased numbers, you might need more healthy people or for them to put in slightly more.


Yeah the point was supposed to be that everyone paid in (including the healthy without pre-existing conditions), driving down costs. Anyone who didn't have insurance and didn't sign up had to pay a fine. Too many people decided to pay the fine instead of purchasing insurance which drove up premiums further.

Additionally republicans refused to allow the government to pay subsidies to keep the premiums low. Republicans then whined about it being unaffordable.

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Monkey Man » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:37 pm

The secret Republican Obamacare replacement is meant to be locked in a basement for only Republicans to see. Unfortunately even Republicans can't find it.

twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/837349640001449985



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by Alvin Flummux » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:40 pm

:lol: What an amazing farce! It's like something out of Parks & Rec, or an episode of the West Wing - like the one where all the Democratic senators hid in an office to ambush the Republicans who scheduled a late night vote on something to get the drop on them.

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by Monkey Man » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:34 pm

twitter.com/AP/status/837398221152464896



9pm our time.

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by Knoyleo » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:46 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote::lol: What an amazing farce! It's like something out of Parks & Rec, or an episode of the West Wing - like the one where all the Democratic senators hid in an office to ambush the Republicans who scheduled a late night vote on something to get the drop on them.

Or it's like that time members of the EU Parliament weren't allowed to make an copies of, or even notes about, the TTIP deal, which was kept locked away in private.

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by Tafdolphin » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:26 pm

Monkey Man wrote:

twitter.com/AP/status/837398221152464896



9pm our time.


Surely, surely he's done now. What little credibility he had has gone out of the window, his days are almost certainly numbered

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Hexx » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:28 pm

He's stepping aside from any investigation into Russian leaks

Feels like an attempt to say 'matter dealt with, move on'

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by Tafdolphin » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:30 pm

Or, from another point of view, he's admitting guilt.

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by Alvin Flummux » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:44 pm

I think recusing himself so quickly has probably defused the potential for this part of the Russia scandal to kill Sessions' career, sadly. Unless we get transcripts of those conversations with the ambassador.

Edit: Turns out Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law, was with Flynn when he met with the Russian ambassador in December. :lol:

The meeting between Flynn and Kushner and Russia's Sergey Kislyak, first reported Thursday by The New York Times, was a “brief courtesy meeting” and lasted about 20 minutes, according to the official.

The meeting is another known instance of Trump associates meeting with Kislyak before the inauguration. Flynn was forced out as national security adviser last month in the wake of reports that he had improperly discussed sanctions on Russia in conversations with Kislyak and then lied to the public and Vice President Mike Pence about it.


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by Irene Demova » Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:30 am

Pence used personal email for state business — and was hacked
INDIANAPOLIS — Vice President Mike Pence routinely used a private email account to conduct public business as governor of Indiana, at times discussing sensitive matters and homeland security issues.

Emails released to The Indianapolis Star in response to a public records request show Pence communicated via his personal AOL account with top advisers on topics ranging from security gates at the governor’s residence to the state’s response to terror attacks across the globe. In one email, Pence’s top state homeland security adviser relayed an update from the FBI regarding the arrests of several men on federal terror-related charges.

Cybersecurity experts say the emails raise concerns about whether such sensitive information was adequately protected from hackers, given that personal accounts like Pence's are typically less secure than government email accounts. In fact, Pence's personal account was hacked last summer.

Furthermore, advocates for open government expressed concerns about transparency because personal emails aren't immediately captured on state servers that are searched in response to public records requests.

Cybersecurity experts say Pence’s emails were likely just as insecure as Clinton’s. While there has been speculation about whether Clinton's emails were hacked, Pence’s account was actually compromised last summer by a scammer who sent an email to his contacts claiming Pence and his wife were stranded in the Philippines and in urgent need of money.


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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Garth » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:32 am

How many people on Trump's campaign team didn't meet with the Russians at this point? :lol: :fp:

And that email news, the sheer hypocrisy of it. I somehow doubt he'll end up under investigation for years.

Bunch of slimy turds!

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Garth » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:43 am

US Senate calls on British spy Christopher Steele to give evidence on explosive Trump-Russia dossier:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 08456.html

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Garth » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:52 am

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