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by Preezy » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:51 am

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He is a guilty pleasure of mine. He's so batshit mental he's actually crossed into the "d'aww what a cheeky scamp" territory :lol:

His most recent appearance on the Joe Rogan podcast was hilarious!

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by captain red dog » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:53 am

So the Obamacare replacement looks like dogshit, it's one of those issues similar to gun control where the Republican stance just doesn't seem to make any sense to my western socialist mind! The travel ban is interesting, on the face of it I can't really see how it is any different so Christ knows how it can be considered more legal than the last one.

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by KK » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:59 am

Healthcare in America seems very simple to me. Don't have health insurance. Create your own health fund. Pray you don't get sick in the meantime.

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by Peter Crisp » Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:11 am

I think the main problem is that Americans don't seem to understand the basic idea that the vast healthy majority need to pay into a pot so the sick minority can get healthcare without going bankrupt or simply going untreated due to lack of ability to pay.
The first time I went to hospital was when I was 39 and I'd been paying taxes since I was 18 but I knew I'd likely need healthcare at some point so I paid for the NHS even when I didn't need it.
The most common objection in the US is that they should not pay for someone else to be ill but they fail to remember they may also get ill (which obviously can't happen to good god fearing americans as only liberal traitors get sick) and need treatments.

It's pure selfishness and they just don't see it.

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Posted 16th March 2016. Let's see.
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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:30 am

If you can't afford healthcare then just sell meth to raise the money for your treatment.

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by Gandalf » Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:38 am

Peter Crisp wrote:I think the main problem is that Americans don't seem to understand the basic idea that the vast healthy majority need to pay into a pot so the sick minority can get healthcare without going bankrupt or simply going untreated due to lack of ability to pay.
The first time I went to hospital was when I was 39 and I'd been paying taxes since I was 18 but I knew I'd likely need healthcare at some point so I paid for the NHS even when I didn't need it.
The most common objection in the US is that they should not pay for someone else to be ill but they fail to remember they may also get ill (which obviously can't happen to good god fearing americans as only liberal traitors get sick) and need treatments.

It's pure selfishness and they just don't see it.


Agreed with this. It is selfishness.

I'm happy to pay as I know at some point I will need medical assistance. I'm 43 and *touch wood* haven't required that much assistance throughout my life. But I'm also happy that whatever I'm paying in to the 'pot', I'm not requiring help, but is helping someone less fortunate than me.

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by Silent Right » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:40 am

KKLEIN wrote:Healthcare in America seems very simple to me. Don't have health insurance. Create your own health fund. Pray you don't get sick in the meantime.


The problem is this doesn't work as a trip to the hospital for a few days might cost as much as a house, add to that any follow up treatment and basically if you don't have health insurance, or if your claim is denied you are totally strawberry floated.

Peter Crisp wrote:I think the main problem is that Americans don't seem to understand the basic idea that the vast healthy majority need to pay into a pot so the sick minority can get healthcare without going bankrupt or simply going untreated due to lack of ability to pay.
The first time I went to hospital was when I was 39 and I'd been paying taxes since I was 18 but I knew I'd likely need healthcare at some point so I paid for the NHS even when I didn't need it.
The most common objection in the US is that they should not pay for someone else to be ill but they fail to remember they may also get ill (which obviously can't happen to good god fearing americans as only liberal traitors get sick) and need treatments.

It's pure selfishness and they just don't see it.


The stupidest thing about this stance though is that if they did all just pay into a single pot they'd be paying less than most of them pay now for health insurance and would be getting better coverage. :fp:

I remember I was talking about this once to an American while down there and another issue for them is the speed of the care you can get. Obviously with a market economy they have more things like MRI's and specialists, whereas here you might get an appointment to see a specialist after several weeks, but in their mind they seem to think that it takes much longer with a public system.

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by Peter Crisp » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:52 am

They also have completely bought into the stupid idea of death panels.
It's like they don't think the mere existence of such a panel would be political suicide for anyone who tried to implement it as it would only affect the elderly and unfortunately those same elderly people who are now facing death panels are the people who tend to vote the most.
It's amazing how many old people we have in Europe considering we have all these death panels we're supposed to have.

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Tue Mar 07, 2017 11:55 am

A lot of American’s are absolutely convinced that if the government ran the healthcare system then they would be left to die because the government would want to save money.

Unlike private insurers of course who are well known for always paying out on a claim and never ever refusing them and private companies that would never ever seek to reduce costs. :lol:

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by Peter Crisp » Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:04 pm

Yep, every US hospital has a Dr House and the guys from ER just ready for those with insurance.
It's wonderful.

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Posted 16th March 2016. Let's see.
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by Alvin Flummux » Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:11 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:They also have completely bought into the stupid idea of death panels.
It's like they don't think the mere existence of such a panel would be political suicide for anyone who tried to implement it as it would only affect the elderly and unfortunately those same elderly people who are now facing death panels are the people who tend to vote the most.


It's amazing that none of them have figured out that the closest thing in the west to a "death panel" is the guy who decides whether to approve or deny your health insurance claim.

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:48 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:
Peter Crisp wrote:They also have completely bought into the stupid idea of death panels.
It's like they don't think the mere existence of such a panel would be political suicide for anyone who tried to implement it as it would only affect the elderly and unfortunately those same elderly people who are now facing death panels are the people who tend to vote the most.


It's amazing that none of them have figured out that the closest thing in the west to a "death panel" is the guy who decides whether to approve or deny your health insurance claim.


I dunno, if Bannon gets his way then we might start seeing death panels for certain members of American society….

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by Harry Ola » Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:44 am

Another member of the Trump team met with Russian Ambassador Kislyak during the campaign, despite denying any contact ...

It was one Donald J Trump :shock:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/03/07/trump_met_russian_ambassador_kislyak_during_campaign_in_april_2016.html

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Dual » Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:55 am

Fake news

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by Garth of Christmas Future » Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:31 am

Multiple Russian diplomats and oligarchs have died suddenly since November, several apparently had ties to the Trump/Russia dossier:
A Ukranian-born millionaire businessman with links to Donald Trump has reportedly died in unexplained circumstances. Alex Oronov, a 69-year-old naturalised American citizen who ran an agricultural business in his native Ukraine, died on 2 March, according to a Facebook post by Ukranian politician Andrii Artemenko. Mr Oronov is reported to have set up a secret meeting between Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen – to whom he had family ties - and Russian officials where a “peace plan” is said to have been hatched to give Russian President Vladimir Putin control of the Crimea.

Mr Cohen is understood to have an extensive network of personal and business relationships in the Ukranian-American community – and his associates included Mr Oronov, a partner in the ethanol business the lawyer’s brother, Bryan, set up in Ukraine.

The “peace plan” meeting brought together Mr Artemenko, Mr Cohen and Felix Sater, an American-Russian long-time business associate of Mr Trump who is reported to have ties to the Russian mafia.

Details of this meeting are believed to have ended up on the desk of Michael Flynn, Mr Trump’s former security adviser who was forced to resign last month over his alleged secret dealings with Russian officials.
Conspiracy theorists have pointed to a number of recent deaths of Russian diplomats in the past four months.

Russia’s permanent ambassador to the UN, Vitaly Churkin, died last month in New York after suddenly becoming ill on his way to work the day before his 65th birthday. It was initially reported he had suffered a heart attack but an autopsy proved inconclusive.

The Russian Consul in Athens, Andrei Malanin, 55, was found dead on the floor of his apartment in Greece in January. Greek police said there was no evidence of a break-in and he was believed to have died of natural causes.

Russia’s Ambassador to India, Alexander Kadakin, 67, was reported to have died of heart failure in January after a “brief illness” according to Indian media.

Russian diplomat Sergei Krivov, 63, was found unconscious having suffered severe head injuries at the Russian consulate in New York on US election day. According to BuzzFeed, Mr Krivov was initially said to have fallen to his death following a suspected heart attack, but a subsequent report from medical examiners was inconclusive.

The Russian ambassador to Turkey, Andrei Karlov, was assassinated in Ankara by a policeman at a photography exhibition on 19 December and another diplomat, Peter Polshikov, was shot dead in his Moscow apartment on the same day.

Former KGB chief Oleg Erovinkin, who was suspected of helping British spy Christopher Steele draft a dossier on Donald Trump, was found dead in the back of his car last Boxing Day. Mr Erovinkin was also an aide to former deputy prime minister Igor Sechin, who now heads up state-owned oil company Rosneft and is said to have been named in the dossier.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 12866.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 02201.html
Oronov joins Erovinkin, Krivov, Karlov, Melanin, Chandelon, Polshikov and Churkin, who have all died since the dossier scandal became public just a few short months ago.

Sergei Krivov died in New York on election day at the Russian Consulate with his skull bashed in. Oleg Erovinkin was a former KGB general who contributed to the former MI6 agent’s dossier on Trump and Putin’s ties, and was found dead in the back of a car. Sergei Mikhailov was arrested for assisting the CIA, was seen dragged out of a meeting with a bag on his head in Moscow, and was then found deceased; Mikhailov was also a Russian intelligence agent.

http://bipartisanreport.com/2017/03/05/ ... r-details/

Some might wave it away as just a conspiracy theory, but this is Russia/Putin we're talking about, who not so long ago blatantly assassinated Alexander Litvinenko on UK soil with radioactive poisoning.

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by Harry Ola » Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:05 am

Yesterday, whilst watching Fox news for 2 hours and tweeting responses, Trump posted the following:



Now, Fox news did not say this exactly, only implied it. Because actually it is utter nonsense. The actual data is as follows:

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by Harry Ellis » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:23 am

:lol:

Also the mindset that you should have to go to specifically tailored sites to get positive reviews of bills drafted by specific parties. :fp:

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PostRe: The American Politics Thread
by Tomous » Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:02 pm

Hexx wrote:https://twitter.com/charlescwcooke/status/839093593251926016

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This is so amazing, it can't actually be real

Edit: it seems it is, and she then tried to claim she was being sarcastic.

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by Hexx » Wed Mar 08, 2017 3:22 pm

I included a link so you could see it's real

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