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by Silent Right » Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:38 pm

Moggy wrote:A lot of American’s are absolutely convinced that if the government ran the healthcare system then they would be left to die because the government would want to save money


I think we find this mentality so strange because our governments are, at least I would say better and more trustworthy than the US.

They've been shown to do some shady things but not, at least to my knowledge, purposefully infect people, or not treat people who they said they were treating for free, like the US did with those black people when they wanted to study syphilis...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatema ... experiment

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskege ... experiment

That added to the other crap that they have pulled, and add to that the fact that loads of conservatives hate government and don't want to make it work well, you can see why the average person might be skeptical.

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by TV Dinner » Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:06 pm

Garth wrote:Multiple Russian diplomats and oligarchs have died suddenly since November, several apparently had ties to the Trump/Russia dossier:

To paraphrase another Russian agent who loved gold: once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, eight dead Russians is enemy action.

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by KK » Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:29 pm

Rightey wrote:
Moggy wrote:A lot of American’s are absolutely convinced that if the government ran the healthcare system then they would be left to die because the government would want to save money


I think we find this mentality so strange because our governments are, at least I would say better and more trustworthy than the US.

I think it's also a size thing. We see governments as normal people. Corrupt, sure, but normal. It's shady in a different way. In America you can fake moon landings, blow up buildings and hide UFOs. We just do paedophilia over here instead...

Even MI5 hacking into Televisions and round the clock survelance doesn't seem to worry people. The whole mentality of the government, i.e. your Boris Johnsons, Nick Clegg...whatever the case is, learning about your wanking routine is greeted by such mass apathy by the general public its unbelievable. The intimidation factor of 'Oooooh, big government is coming to get ya' is non-existent, in the same way we're just not scared of the police in the same way either. The distrust of the government here is completely different to America, and other corrupt regimes like Russia or China.

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by Harry Ola » Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:13 pm



Good articles. It's a tricky one. It's the age old dilemma, do you do something that's wrong (less than ideal reporting), for a greater good. These stories about Trump and Russia may eventually lead to his tax returns being considered, and that is probably the biggest issue for him. If that happens, would the ends have justified the means?

The alternative is that they sit tight and hope things change in 2018 (although the landscape is challenging). Trump is incompetent enough that this strategy might work though.

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by Tineash » Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:23 pm

A few people were screaming about the platform change at the convention when it happened, but nobody gave a gooseberry fool.

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by Alvin Flummux » Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:39 pm

Has a direct link between the Ukraine language and Russia hacking the DNC been established? Like, an actual paper trail, or credible witnesses?

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by Ho-Ho-Ho-tek » Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:40 pm

I always watch Rachel Maddow, she's always on point at connecting the dots.

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by TV Dinner » Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:24 pm



Nothing at all suspicious about this.

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by Alvin Flummux » Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:00 pm

OCME? Is that the Scottish ACME?

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by Grumpy David » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:06 am



The total cost of the wall. :lol:

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by Peter Crisp » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:29 pm

That is fantastic.
That's pretty much exactly how I see Trump costing anything like this as like strawberry float is he going to micromanage anything as he just can't be bothered. Just give him the rough numbers on a chalk board and hope like hell you can finish work somewhere in the ballpark of the estimates and Trump will be delighted and claim it as a personal victory even if all he did for an entire project like the wall was equivalent to this sketch.

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by Meep In Heavenly Peace » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:56 pm

They will not build it, because even if they were serious it is unfeasible to build it in four years. That is before you consider the unrealistic budget. Most likely they will build a few extensions to the existing fences and such, do a few photo ops and count on most Trump supporters being too ignorant to question anything he says. Reports that the vast majority of the wall has not been build and that the project has been massively scaled down, even with physical evidence in abundance, will be dismissed as "fake news".

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by Peter Crisp » Sun Mar 12, 2017 1:06 pm

Just hire Chuck Norris to protect the border.

jiggles wrote:Nobody with a VR headset is going to be using it regularly this time next year, let alone in 4 years time.


Posted 16th March 2016. Let's see.
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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:20 pm

Have they taken his phone away now? It seems to have been ages (days) since his last meltdown.

If we have to have the orange faced twat in power, he could at least keep us amused with daily Twitter rants. :x

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by Harry Ola » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:47 pm


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by Preezy » Mon Mar 13, 2017 4:58 pm

Fake news from the failing Independent! Sad!

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by Harry Ellis » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:02 pm

Preezy wrote:Fake news from the failing Independent! Sad!

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by lex-man » Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:21 pm

Peter Crisp wrote:Just hire Chuck Norris to protect the border.


I actually kind of wondered if you could do it with some kind of autonomous drone. If you used some kind of weather balloon system with solar panels you could just get some kind of AI system to alert the authorities when people are spotted crossing the boarder. I'm sure that would be a lot cheaper than physically constructionist a massive great wall.

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by Monkey Man » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:06 pm

CBO have released their report on Trumpcare -

Effects on Health Insurance Coverage

To estimate the budgetary effects, CBO and JCT projected how the legislation would change the number of people who obtain federally subsidized health insurance through Medicaid, the nongroup market, and the employment-based market, as well as many other factors.

CBO and JCT estimate that, in 2018, 14 million more people would be uninsured under the legislation than under current law. Most of that increase would stem from repealing the penalties associated with the individual mandate. Some of those people would choose not to have insurance because they chose to be covered by insurance under current law only to avoid paying the penalties, and some people would forgo insurance in response to higher premiums.


CBO and JCT estimate that enacting the legislation would reduce federal deficits by $337 billion over the 2017-2026 period. That total consists of $323 billion in on-budget savings and $13 billion in off-budget savings. Outlays would be reduced by $1.2 trillion over the period, and revenues would be reduced by $0.9 trillion.

The largest savings would come from reductions in outlays for Medicaid and from the elimination of the Affordable Care Act’s (ACA’s) subsidies for nongroup health insurance. The largest costs would come from repealing many of the changes the ACA made to the Internal Revenue Code—including an increase in the Hospital Insurance payroll tax rate for high-income taxpayers, a surtax on those taxpayers’ net investment income, and annual fees imposed on health insurers—and from the establishment of a new tax credit for health insurance.


Later, following additional changes to subsidies for insurance purchased in the nongroup market and to the Medicaid program, the increase in the number of uninsured people relative to the number under current law would rise to 21 million in 2020 and then to 24 million in 2026.


The legislation would tend to increase average premiums in the nongroup market prior to 2020 and lower average premiums thereafter, relative to projections under current law. In 2018 and 2019, according to CBO and JCT’s estimates, average premiums for single policyholders in the nongroup market would be 15 percent to 20 percent higher than under current law, mainly because the individual mandate penalties would be eliminated, inducing fewer comparatively healthy people to sign up.

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files ... eact_0.pdf

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