US Politics - Trump cancels summit having to do with North Korea

BID0 wrote:

Moggy wrote:Bernie is not going to be an issue at the next election. He is 76 this year.

I don't get why Michelle Obama's name crops up. Sure we all liked her, but she is not a politician and she has said she has no interest in ever becoming one.

If the last US election taught us anything it should be that politically inexperienced people shouldn't be allowed to run for office and that the wives of former Presidents shouldn't either.

Maybe, maybe not. But his movement would probably only follow him or someone he would endorse at this stage. They're trying to set a third party up right now (I'm not sure how far that's got) which will split the Dem vote in two. I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans were in power for the forseeable future. It just depends how much of a mess they make of it in the mean time

Sanders isn’t going to set up a third party and he is going to be way too old to run next time.

The Democrats are unlikely to split, they will know that having two left wing parties will only hand power to the Republicans. For good or ill, American politics are split into two, a third party just isn’t feasible.

While things look dark, Trump has appalling approval ratings, is only going to strawberry float things up over the next few years and don’t forget that he lost the popular vote by 3 million.

If the Dems can put up a decent candidate then there is no reason to think that they will not win the next election.

I'd like to think the Dems will go with Warren for 2020 but they might be put off from fielding a female presidential candidate after HRC.

From a Republican perspective, I'm hoping they try to go with someone other than Trump, which leads to him taking it personally and ultimately deciding to run as an independent, thereby splitting the right-wing/cretin vote enough to allow the Dems in.

Ad7 wrote:Having just been lived to the U.S. UK, you have to realise a lot of people there here don't think things through like we some of us do. They're totally brain washed by the media and told outright bullshit.

Hey that statement works for here too if you tweak it.

I think it's completely and utterly impossible to predict what's going to happen in the next 3 months, let alone 3 or 4 years.

I wouldn't bet against another celebrity based candidate, and of all the names tossed about I think somebody like The Rock would walk it...whichever side of the fence he eventually sits on.

twitter.com/markhumphries/status/881821749901377536

Hexx wrote:

twitter.com/markhumphries/status/881821749901377536

That's surely going to get flak for mocking bullying/abuse victims.

captain red dog wrote:That is the single best thing a US president has done in the last 30 years!

Even funnier is the hysterical media reaction saying Trump has incited violence against the media!

It isn't quite so hysterical when a Republican politician can assault a newspaper journalist and get away with it.

Cuttooth wrote:

captain red dog wrote:That is the single best thing a US president has done in the last 30 years!

Even funnier is the hysterical media reaction saying Trump has incited violence against the media!

It isn't quite so hysterical when a Republican politician can assault a newspaper journalist and get away with it.

I don't find anything Trump does funny. A lot of my friends in the US are being affected by his idiotic reign and his attention seeking does nothing for me as a result.

Moggy wrote:

BID0 wrote:

Moggy wrote:Bernie is not going to be an issue at the next election. He is 76 this year.

I don't get why Michelle Obama's name crops up. Sure we all liked her, but she is not a politician and she has said she has no interest in ever becoming one.

If the last US election taught us anything it should be that politically inexperienced people shouldn't be allowed to run for office and that the wives of former Presidents shouldn't either.

Maybe, maybe not. But his movement would probably only follow him or someone he would endorse at this stage. They're trying to set a third party up right now (I'm not sure how far that's got) which will split the Dem vote in two. I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans were in power for the forseeable future. It just depends how much of a mess they make of it in the mean time

Sanders isn’t going to set up a third party and he is going to be way too old to run next time.

The Democrats are unlikely to split, they will know that having two left wing parties will only hand power to the Republicans. For good or ill, American politics are split into two, a third party just isn’t feasible.

While things look dark, Trump has appalling approval ratings, is only going to strawberry float things up over the next few years and don’t forget that he lost the popular vote by 3 million.

If the Dems can put up a decent candidate then there is no reason to think that they will not win the next election.

I never said he was going to set a new party up, he is busy trying to reform the democrats (even though they'd rather lose elections if the alternative is to move away from the corporations and their bungs). The grass roots spark that Bernie set off last time are already creating a new party with the intention of running against the 2 major parties on a working class represented platform that the democrats are keen to ignore. Those votes are traditional Democrat votes and if this movement has the same kind of momentum that Bernie had then that's going to eat in to the Democrats vote share next time.

BID0 wrote:

Moggy wrote:

BID0 wrote:

Moggy wrote:Bernie is not going to be an issue at the next election. He is 76 this year.

I don't get why Michelle Obama's name crops up. Sure we all liked her, but she is not a politician and she has said she has no interest in ever becoming one.

If the last US election taught us anything it should be that politically inexperienced people shouldn't be allowed to run for office and that the wives of former Presidents shouldn't either.

Maybe, maybe not. But his movement would probably only follow him or someone he would endorse at this stage. They're trying to set a third party up right now (I'm not sure how far that's got) which will split the Dem vote in two. I wouldn't be surprised if the Republicans were in power for the forseeable future. It just depends how much of a mess they make of it in the mean time

Sanders isn’t going to set up a third party and he is going to be way too old to run next time.

The Democrats are unlikely to split, they will know that having two left wing parties will only hand power to the Republicans. For good or ill, American politics are split into two, a third party just isn’t feasible.

While things look dark, Trump has appalling approval ratings, is only going to strawberry float things up over the next few years and don’t forget that he lost the popular vote by 3 million.

If the Dems can put up a decent candidate then there is no reason to think that they will not win the next election.

I never said he was going to set a new party up, he is busy trying to reform the democrats (even though they'd rather lose elections if the alternative is to move away from the corporations and their bungs). The grass roots spark that Bernie set off last time are already creating a new party with the intention of running against the 2 major parties on a working class represented platform that the democrats are keen to ignore. Those votes are traditional Democrat votes and if this movement has the same kind of momentum that Bernie had then that's going to eat in to the Democrats vote share next time.

It isn't going to happen. Any breakaway party from the left is just going to be the left version of the Tea Party, it'll shout and scream but ultimately achieve nothing.

What new party is this, then? This is the first I've heard of such a thing. It'll go nowhere though - but it will serve the purpose of alerting the DNC heads to the fact that the left wing of the party is now awake and aware, when it wasn't before the 2016 election.

The Generic Congressional Ballot has the Democrats leading in a big way, the Special Elections in red territory swung heavily to the left, and you've got Democratic politicians being turned into party superstars by the Trump administration - Kamala Harris, etc. The longer the Russia investigations go on, the more fuck-ups in general he makes, the worse Trump's re-election prospects get. Then again, if Mueller exonerates him like he did the NFL chief, they will improve a lot. The Democrats are going to need to find charismatic, scandal-free candidates who can deliver strong, credible messages to Americans of all colors and creeds. They have a few good names already, and I'm sure more will rise to the top soon.

Alvin Flummux wrote:the Special Elections in red territory swung heavily to the left,

That’s an important point that I think a lot of people forgot about due to the Trump media circus. While the Dems didn’t win those elections, they should never have been anywhere near close to winning them. Deeply Republican territory and the Dems did well. Expecting a Democrat to win in those states was like expecting Lord Buckethead to beat Theresa May.

Alvin Flummux wrote:What new party is this, then? This is the first I've heard of such a thing. It'll go nowhere though - but it will serve the purpose of alerting the DNC heads to the fact that the left wing of the party is now awake and aware, when it wasn't before the 2016 election.

I'm not even sure if it has a name yet, I only read about it in the aftermath of the election. The premise was a crowdfunded grassroots party "for the people" so it couldn't be corrupted by big corporations.

It's basically the american version of Corbynmania. aka "a few hipsters" "won't amount to anything" type of thing but running in the political spectrum that the democrats have left wide open and unrepresented for decades.

If you google "draftbernie" or "new progressive party" I'm sure you can find a bunch of youtube interviews and the like.

I don't think the Democrats will ever change. They would have by now but they're still doing the same thing. There are plenty of videos out there since Trump came to power of Bernie touring the country and still drawing crowds and cheers while people like Debbie Wasserman Schultz introduce him at these events or stand beside him in interviews and are booed whenever they talk or ignore/rubbish any points Bernie makes. They are still blaming Russia hacks and such for losing rather than taking a step back and thinking, yeh maybe we shouldn't be taking money from bankers and ignoring the huge issues the electorate face.

Alvin Flummux wrote:The Democrats are going to need to find charismatic, scandal-free candidates

As we've seen throughout history, scandal-free policitians are statistically improbable:

People that crave power and influence are normally dicks
Dicks normally have skeletons in their closets
Closets normally get opened when people seeking power attain it
I lost my train of thought.

Preezy wrote:Dicks normally have skeletons

I think that confirms that Preezy has a freaky cock.

BID0 wrote:The Democrats are finished. Like new labour, they're just a lite version of the republicans.

This is completely wrong, I'd suggest reading up on policy positions. Republican policy right now is to remove healthcare from 23 million people, give the rich tax breaks, pretend climate change doesn't exist, Muslim ban etc etc.

captain red dog wrote:

I think you underestimate how toxic the Obama brand is (quite irrationally I might add) to vast swathes of Americans. Honestly at this point I am expecting a second term for Trump unless he stands down or is impeached.

The Obamas are only toxic to the cretins who'd never vote Democrat in the first place. Upon leaving office Obama had the joint 4th highest favourability ratings of any president since records began.

Where's he going?

twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/882419284298928128

Kind of hard to miss the strawberry floating massive tank-like car right in front of him, but good old Donny somehow manages it.

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