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by Rightey » Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:06 pm

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'Ere we go.

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by Memento Mori » Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:08 pm

The Guardian interviewed some Trump supporters after his last rally.


Some choice quotes to depress you:

Trump is breath of fresh air. He’s totally not a political person. He’s a businessman: he’s anti-left, he’s anti-PC, he’s anti-stupid.


Isaac Powell, 19, student

Powell’s mother is Japanese and his father is African American


I voted for him because of diversity. He actually practices diversity unlike liberals, who don’t practice diversity. Obama had this whole country thinking about skin colour. Trump doesn’t look at skin colour. He doesn’t label anyone who’s non-white a minority, just people. Skin colour is colour, not culture. His cabinet is nothing to do with skin colour: they’re right for the job.

Both sides in Charlottesville are bad. He’s absolutely right. The Antifa [anti-fascist groups] are the equivalent of the KKK and both were responsible. Antifa is the KKK, just without the history. The Confederate flag is not racist: only 5% of slave owners had the Confederate flag; the US flag is more racist. Do you think I’d be that stupid to vote for an actual racist to be in office?


He’s tried as hard as he can. He never stops working.



There are haters on both sides. The KKK had the legal right to express their opposition and they got a permit and everything would have been fine except that counter-protesters came with baseball bats and rocks. It’s not the KKK that started it. If they’d just let them kick around in the streets, that would have been it. Paid protesters started it and the media does not want that narrative to be told.




I voted for him because he was the best candidate running. I agreed with him on border protection and didn’t want someone being investigated by the FBI sitting in our president’s seat.


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by KomandaHeck » Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:40 pm

Aye, just let Nazis and the KKK have a kick about mun, nasty people ruining their fun.

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by Alvin Flummux » Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:19 am

In the wake of the alarming rise of Fake News™: Fake Polls™!

Is Kid Rock leading the U.S. Senate race in Michigan? A story like that is essentially designed to go viral, and that’s exactly what happened when Delphi Analytica released a poll fielded from July 14 to July 18. Republican Kid Rock earned 30 percent to Sen. Debbie Stabenow’s 26 percent. A sitting U.S. senator was losing to a man who sang the lyric, “If I was president of the good ol’ USA, you know I’d turn our churches into strip clubs and watch the whole world pray.”

The result was so amazing that the poll was quickly spread around the political sections of the internet. Websites like Daily Caller, Political Wire and Twitchy all wrote about it. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott tweeted it out. And finally, Kid Rock himself shared an article from Gateway Pundit about the poll.

There was just one problem: Nobody knew if the poll was real. Delphi Analytica’s website came online July 6, mere weeks before the Kid Rock poll was supposedly conducted. The pollster had basically no fingerprint on the web.

Indeed, Delphi Analytica isn’t a polling firm in any traditional sense, and it’s not entirely clear they even conducted the poll as advertised.

The story of Delphi Analytica, its mysterious origins and its Kid Rock poll show that the line between legitimate and illegitimate pollsters is blurring. Much of the polling industry is moving online, where conducting a survey is far less expensive than making thousands of phone calls. But that lower price has also opened up polling to all sorts of new people: Some are seasoned professionals trying an old craft with a new tool or well-informed, well-meaning amateurs trying to break into the industry, but other characters have less noble goals — they’re pranksters seeking attention and scam artists trying to make a quick buck.

If you’re a political observer interested in polls or a journalist who writes about them, you need to be more careful than ever.


Much more at the link: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/fa ... l-problem/

:dread: I expect that Russia, various far right and left entities and many other nefarious groups to really latch onto this one. Combined with fake news, they could make the next election very, very messy if we're not extremely careful. Germany beware! The upcoming midterms will probably be a proving ground for the emergence of professional fake polling in the US. Luckily, we once again have 538's Harry Enten on our side, guiding us through the particulars of how to spot a bad poll (not that that'll stop the media from citing them like a bunch of idiots):

Fake polls. Amateur-ish polls. They’re becoming a problem, and they’re likely to become a bigger one. But you don’t need to be a statistician to spot a suspicious poll. I’d recommend a few simple questions that everyone, professionals and amateurs, can ask of any poll to help avoid the suspect ones. And almost everyone, including me, has been fooled. (Almost the entire political media, for instance, was reporting on polls from Research 2000 before it was unveiled as a forgery.) There are going to be legitimate pollsters that don’t meet all of these criteria. But if you come across a “pollster” that fails most of these tests, I’d take your mouse off the retweet button and go on with your day.

First and foremost, does it seem professional?
That may seem too basic, but it works surprisingly well. Is a pollster’s press release riddled with typos? Reputable pollsters are run by publicly identified people, and if they’re putting their professional reputations on the line, they probably want to make a good first impression. Spelling simple words wrong or misspelling the candidates’ names is often a sign that either a pollster doesn’t know what it’s doing or isn’t on the level. Small mistakes usually come with big mistakes.

Who?
Who conducted the poll? Does the pollster have a long track record? Check out the polling firm’s website — are there real people with expertise listed there? Does the pollster even have a website and not just a Twitter account? (Websites are pretty easy to create, but some fake pollsters don’t even do that.) If a pollster doesn’t reveal the people working for the company, then you probably don’t want to cite the firm’s numbers.

How?
How was the survey conducted (e.g., via automated phone, live telephone interview or on the internet)? If it was on the internet, see how the pollster was getting people to participate in its polls (e.g., via its own panel or Google Surveys). If it was on the phone, find out which phone bank was doing the calling. If a pollster isn’t revealing its methodology, don’t trust it. Legitimate, professional pollsters prize transparency.

What?
What questions are being asked? If it’s a poll about an election, legitimate pollsters will typically ask respondents more than simply who they prefer, Candidate A versus Candidate B. The pollsters will want to find out why people are voting the way that they are (what issues matter to them, for example, or how favorably respondents view the candidates). At a minimum, pollsters will ask demographic questions in order to weight their data properly. If a pollster isn’t revealing this data and how it’s being weighted, be suspicious.

When?
This works two ways. First, when was the poll itself conducted? And how many people did it reach? Those are crucial, standard details every on-the-level pollster releases. Second, when was the polling company founded? If there’s no answer, be suspicious. If it was only very recently, treat its results with caution until it has a body of work to judge.

Why?
Polls cost money, so most pollsters aren’t conducting them on a whim. Academic institutions often poll to increase their name recognition, or to provide students an educational opportunity. Most professional pollsters conduct surveys to make money. If there isn’t something on the website that tells you why the pollster is conducting the poll, something is probably up.

Where?
Find out where the company is located. Even in the age of the internet, most pollsters have a physical location. An address that you should be able to send a piece of mail to. An actual place that you can check exists via a website like the Whitepages.

Can you reach the pollster?
Some fly-by-night operations won’t even have phone numbers on their websites for you to call. That’s probably not a good sign. If there is a phone number, see if it’s toll-free ( costs more money to the company, but less to the consumer). If it’s not a toll-free number, see if the area code matches the area where the company is located. And if you’re really adventurous, pick up a phone and see if you can speak to a real person. (You can also try the “Shattered Glass” trick, if you’re suspicious.) If there’s no number, shoot the pollster an email (assuming its website includes an address). Do you get a response?

Short on time? Check to see if polling websites like HuffPost Pollster or FiveThirtyEight have cited the pollster. If they haven’t, there’s probably a good reason.

Still unsure? If you think there’s a fake poll out there, simply email FiveThirtyEight at polls@fivethirtyeight.com. We’ll look into it.


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ho ... fake-poll/

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PostRe: US Politics - Steele provides FBI with sources used in Trump/Russia dossier
by Harry Ola » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:30 am

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PostRe: US Politics - Steele provides FBI with sources used in Trump/Russia dossier
by Garth » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:38 am

An email has surfaced regarding an attempt to set up a meeting between the Trump campaign and Putin:
Congressional investigators have unearthed an email from a top Trump aide that referenced a previously unreported effort to arrange a meeting last year between Trump campaign officials and Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to sources with direct knowledge of the matter.

The aide, Rick Dearborn, who is now President Donald Trump's deputy chief of staff, sent a brief email to campaign officials last year relaying information about an individual who was seeking to connect top Trump officials with Putin, the sources said.

The person was only identified in the email as being from "WV," which one source said was a reference to West Virginia. It's unclear who the individual is, what he or she was seeking, or whether Dearborn even acted on the request. One source said that the individual was believed to have had political connections in West Virginia, but details about the request and who initiated it remain vague.

The same source said Dearborn in the email appeared skeptical of the requested meeting.
Sources said the email occurred in June 2016 around the time of the recently revealed Trump Tower meeting where Russians with Kremlin ties met with the president's eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., his son-in-law Jared Kushner as well as then-campaign chairman, Paul Manafort.

While many details around the Dearborn email are unclear, its existence suggests the Russians may have been looking for another entry point into the Trump campaign to see if there were any willing partners as part of their effort to discredit -- and ultimately defeat -- Hillary Clinton.

Dearborn's name has not been mentioned much as part of the Russia probe. But he served as then-Sen. Jeff Sessions' chief of staff, as well as a top policy aide on the campaign. And investigators have questions about whether he played a role in potentially arranging two meetings that occurred between the then-Russia ambassador to the US, Sergey Kislyak, and Sessions, who has downplayed the significance of those encounters.

Dearborn was involved in helping to arrange an April 2016 event at the Mayflower Hotel where Trump delivered a major foreign policy address, sources said. Kislyak attended the event and a reception beforehand, but it's unclear whether he interacted with Sessions there.

Dearborn did not respond to multiple inquiries seeking comment. White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders declined to comment, and would not respond to inquiries about Dearborn's email and whether the campaign carried through with that meeting.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/23/polit ... index.html

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PostRe: US Politics - Steele provides FBI with sources used in Trump/Russia dossier
by Rax » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:36 am

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As I expected really.

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by Knoyleo » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:40 am

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by Garth » Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:34 pm

White House Sets Rules for Military Transgender Ban
Guidelines expected to direct Pentagon to stop admitting transgender people, gives Mattis power to remove those serving

The White House is expected to send guidance to the Pentagon in coming days on how to implement a new administration ban on transgender people in the military, issuing a policy that will allow Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to consider a service member’s ability to deploy in deciding whether to kick them out of the military.

The White House memo also directs the Pentagon to deny admittance to transgender individuals and to stop spending on medical treatment regimens for those currently serving, according to U.S. officials familiar with the document.

The 2½-page memo gives Mr. Mattis six months to prepare to fully implement the new ban, according to these officials.

Mr. Mattis under the new policy is expected to consider “deployability”—the ability to serve in a war zone, participate in exercises or live for months on a ship—as the primary legal means to decide whether to separate service members from the military, the officials said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-hous ... 7?mod=e2tw

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PostRe: US Politics - Steele provides FBI with sources used in Trump/Russia dossier
by Memento Mori » Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:37 pm

A draft dodger is banning other people from joining the military.

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PostRe: US Politics - Steele provides FBI with sources used in Trump/Russia dossier
by KK » Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:45 pm

Trump having fun again, retweeting this...

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PostRe: US Politics - Steele provides FBI with sources used in Trump/Russia dossier
by Memento Mori » Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:47 pm

He's going to last two minutes and cover the world in darkness?

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by Preezy » Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:48 pm

Looking directly at him is harmful to your health.

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by Moggy » Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:02 pm

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White House Sets Rules for Military Transgender Ban
Guidelines expected to direct Pentagon to stop admitting transgender people, gives Mattis power to remove those serving

The White House is expected to send guidance to the Pentagon in coming days on how to implement a new administration ban on transgender people in the military, issuing a policy that will allow Defense Secretary Jim Mattis to consider a service member’s ability to deploy in deciding whether to kick them out of the military.

The White House memo also directs the Pentagon to deny admittance to transgender individuals and to stop spending on medical treatment regimens for those currently serving, according to U.S. officials familiar with the document.

The 2½-page memo gives Mr. Mattis six months to prepare to fully implement the new ban, according to these officials.

Mr. Mattis under the new policy is expected to consider “deployability”—the ability to serve in a war zone, participate in exercises or live for months on a ship—as the primary legal means to decide whether to separate service members from the military, the officials said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-hous ... 7?mod=e2tw


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by Mafro » Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:17 pm

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PostRe: US Politics - Steele provides FBI with sources used in Trump/Russia dossier
by Garth » Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:22 pm

Martin Luther Coon? :dread:

Case dismissed, lol.

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by Jam-Master Jay » Thu Aug 24, 2017 7:25 pm

What a massive banana split that man is.

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