US Politics - Trump cancels summit having to do with North Korea

DML wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:When a monster isn't put in check, why would he stop being monstrous?

Wow. I had no idea that was already a thing!

It isn't, I created it just for you.

Makes u fink tho

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captain red dog wrote:I think Downing Street need to stop responding to everything Trump does which is massively controversial.

On the subject of "destructive radical Islamic terror", the US has a far more serious problem than the UK does.

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:I think Downing Street need to stop responding to everything Trump does which is massively controversial.

I am not sure they do, the government mostly do ignore him. But when the President of our biggest ally endorses a racist group (that is linked to the death of an MP), the UK government should not just ignore it and should condemn it.

On the subject of "destructive radical Islamic terror", the US has a far more serious problem than the UK does.

Do they?

captain red dog wrote:

Moggy wrote:

captain red dog wrote:I think Downing Street need to stop responding to everything Trump does which is massively controversial.

I am not sure they do, the government mostly do ignore him. But when the President of our biggest ally endorses a racist group (that is linked to the death of an MP), the UK government should not just ignore it and should condemn it.

On the subject of "destructive radical Islamic terror", the US has a far more serious problem than the UK does.

Do they?

I don't want our Government getting any more hypocritical than it already is when condemning some allies and not others, and in particular our own actions domestically and abroad.

captain red dog wrote:I don't want our Government getting any more hypocritical than it already is when condemning some allies and not others, and in particular our own actions domestically and abroad.

And yes the US has far, far more victims of Islamic terror than the UK does thanks to their lack of gun controls. Unless you feel Trump is right and that the UK does have a serious problem?

captain red dog wrote:Hexx, have you lost the plot? The US had the Orlando nightclub shooting alone in 2016 which I believe would account for every Islamic terror death in UK for approx a decade.

Hexx wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Hexx, have you lost the plot? The US had the Orlando nightclub shooting alone in 2016 which I believe would account for every Islamic terror death in UK for approx a decade.

"Fun" Fact. More people died (and magnitudes more were injured) in the Tube Bombings than at the Pulse Night Club. So...you know...that's an easy no. Keep on the indignant high horse though. Lightens up a nasty subject.

Knoyleo wrote:

Hexx wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Hexx, have you lost the plot? The US had the Orlando nightclub shooting alone in 2016 which I believe would account for every Islamic terror death in UK for approx a decade.

"Fun" Fact. More people died (and magnitudes more were injured) in the Tube Bombings than at the Pulse Night Club. So...you know...that's an easy no. Keep on the indignant high horse though. Lightens up a nasty subject.

You mean the tube bombings in 2005, more than a decade before 2016?

Hexx wrote:

Knoyleo wrote:

Hexx wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Hexx, have you lost the plot? The US had the Orlando nightclub shooting alone in 2016 which I believe would account for every Islamic terror death in UK for approx a decade.

"Fun" Fact. More people died (and magnitudes more were injured) in the Tube Bombings than at the Pulse Night Club. So...you know...that's an easy no. Keep on the indignant high horse though. Lightens up a nasty subject.

You mean the tube bombings in 2005, more than a decade before 2016?

"Approx" a decade so was happy with it, and the original whataboutery made no mention of time limit.

Moggy wrote:

Hexx wrote:

Knoyleo wrote:

Hexx wrote:

captain red dog wrote:Hexx, have you lost the plot? The US had the Orlando nightclub shooting alone in 2016 which I believe would account for every Islamic terror death in UK for approx a decade.

"Fun" Fact. More people died (and magnitudes more were injured) in the Tube Bombings than at the Pulse Night Club. So...you know...that's an easy no. Keep on the indignant high horse though. Lightens up a nasty subject.

You mean the tube bombings in 2005, more than a decade before 2016?

"Approx" a decade so was happy with it, and the original whataboutery made no mention of time limit.

I’d assume the US would "win" without a time limit just because of the sheer number of dead on 9/11.

I am not sure body count is the best way to decide who has the worse problem though. Because if we are just counting bodies, then white people are a far greater menace than Muslims in both the US and the UK.

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President Trump yesterday used twitter to promote a vile, extremist group that exists solely to sow division and hatred in our country.

Many Brits who love America and Americans will see this as a betrayal of the special relationship between our two countries. It beggars belief that the president of our closest ally doesn’t see that his support of this extremist group actively undermines the values of tolerance and diversity that makes Britain so great.

As the mayor of this great diverse city, I have previously called on Theresa May to cancel her ill-judged offer of a state visit to President Trump. After this latest incident, it is increasingly clear that any official visit at all from President Trump to Britain would not be welcomed.

The prime minister of our country should be using any influence she and her government claim to have with the president and his administration to ask him to delete these tweets and to apologise to the British people.

Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary, said Britain needed to “stand up” to President Trump. In an interview with the Today programme, she also suggested that the offer of a state visit should be withdrawn, although she accepted that the involvement of the Queen made this awkward. She said:

The invitation wasn’t Theresa May’s invitation to make. The invitation technically comes from the Queen. Now it puts the Queen into a very difficult and invidious position of entering into politics.

If there is a way that this can be finessed, I would support that.

If he comes next year, a year which is supposed to be a really happy year for the royal family, what on earth are people supposed to make of it? Of course, the whole thing will be a total security nightmare if Donald Trump comes over.

Thornberry said that Britain should “stand up” to Trump while at the same time being friends with America. She explained:

There are Americans who are our friends, we share many values with America. But we don’t share values with this man.

And it isn’t just on this issue, it’s a series of other ones - the way in which he has this constantly shifting position on Nato, trying to undermine climate change agreements, threatening the deal with Iran, from Syria to North Korea his only response to difficult situations is increasing belligerence.

This is not someone with whom we share values. Of course we need to work with America, but we need to be clear and stand up to him.

She said that she was “very pleased” to see Theresa May “stand up to [Trump] at last”, but she said that Trump’s latest Tweet showed how May’s attempts to ingratiate herself with him had failed. Thornberry said:

Isn’t it extraordinary that we have got ourselves into a place whereby, despite all the political capital [May] has expended trying to get a good relationship with this man, he is trying to humiliate and belittle her in the way that he is?

May managed to get herself invited to the White House for a meeting and press conference with Trump within days of her inauguration. What seems to have helped get her through the door so quickly was the fact that she arrived with an invitation from the Queen for a state visit. No American president has ever been offered a state visit so soon after taking office, and at the time May’s offer seemed to buy her some influence. But since then Trump has gone cold on the idea of a state visit, and now - as Thornberry’s words suggest - her January rush to Washington isn’t looking such a triumph.

Bercow grants Commons urgent question on Trump's tweets

John Bercow, the Commons speaker, has granted an urgent question about President Trump’s tweet. It has been tabled by the Labour MP Stephen Doughy. A Home Office minister - perhaps Amber Rudd, the home secretary, but more probably one of her juniors - will have to respond.

The UQ will come at 10.30am.

Bercow has got form on the subject of Trump. Earlier this year he said that, if a state visit were to go ahead, he would use his power as speaker to prevent Trump being invited to give a speech in Westminster Hall.

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