$ilva $hadow wrote:So now that you found those passages used by bhuddists to enable violence, I can drop the whole bhuddism is peaceful and move on to Jainism.
You got unlucky when you bigged up Buddhism because I've actually skimmed the Mahāvamsa before; I knew where to look for that quote. I've never read a Jain text, so I have no idea whether there are passages that justify violence or not. For what it's worth I think there has been at least one Jain emperor who has led armies and so forth, but that's just from a general, very shallow knowledge of Indian history, so I could be wrong.
But beyond that...
$ilva $hadow wrote:...and move on to Jainism
Why? Think about the argument you're making here. Are you saying "if I can find a nice religion out there somewhere, it proves my Islamophobia is justified"? I am sure eventually you will find a religion that has never hurt anyone, but what does that prove?
You're still left with the vast majority of all religions, including all of the big six of over ten million followers (Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Judaism), being mixed bags with some shitty passages that are sometimes used by pricks to justify being pricks. That doesn't justify your hatred of Islam any more than it justifies a hatred of Hinduism. What it might justify is a hatred of religion in general: I think that view would still be a bit edgy for my tastes but I at least wouldn't think you were bigoted for it.
The fact that you admit you were wrong and yet still say...
$ilva $hadow wrote:but islam is still worse
...based on absolutely no reasoning whatsoever is proof you're not really learning anything from this conversation, which is a shame.
All I want you to do is think a little bit about the nature of terrorism. We've recently waged several wars in a region of the world that contains an absolute huge number of people, most of whom live shitty lives in shitty going-nowhere countries. Do you not feel that might be a contributing factor to why we sometimes experience terrorism from that region or people of that ethnocultural background, rather than their cultural bedrock being somehow uniquely evil? I understand that this isn't as emotionally satisfying an explanation as us being 'good' and them being 'bad', but it's the explanation that allows us to approach understanding the geopolitical realities and perhaps to even start doing something about them.
Insofar as 'evil' actually illuminates anything as a descriptor (sometimes your own moral outrage - while valid - doesn't help you to understand a problem, y'know?), I do think ISIS and other related terrorist groups are evil organisations, and that individual violent extremists are evil. I think that's self-evident. It doesn't mean that Islam is uniquely evil as a religion, any more than the existence of the Bodu Bala Sena means Buddhism is uniquely evil.
For centuries, while medieval Europe ate itself in a Dark Age, it was the Islamic Golden Age which kept the light of civilisation alive. Baghdad was basked - comparatively speaking - in the glow of learning and tolerance, particularly when juxtaposed with 8th century Catholicism. What changed? Complex socioeconomic factors lead to the decline of the Middle-East relative first to East Asia, then to Europe at the dawning of the Renaissance. When Western powers became overwhelmingly dominant during the Industrial Revolution, the Middle-East was stomped and carved up, primarily by the British and Russians... and even when our empires came to an end, outside powers continued to methodically destabilise the region.
Let's bring this back to you and your views. You seem to really want to find a passage in some religious text that explains everything we observe in that part of the world...
$ilva $hadow wrote:If a religion has no texts of violence, then you cannot be that religion and still be violent.
...basically coming down to "they're bad people because they follow the wrong religion", and I mean, I don't really agree with anything about this statement on any level, but I think the actual core of the problem you have is visible here. You're looking in the wrong book, don't you think? If you want to understand ISIS, read some histories of the Middle-East from the 6th century onwards. The establishment, rise, fall, and subjugation of that culture is a genuinely fascinating story. And though I don't think you'll find all the answers you want there, you'll have a much better feel for why the region is so messed up than you currently do.