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by Floex » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:09 am

Israel has put up to 75,000 reservists on stand-by and vowed to intensify its raids on the Gaza Strip after Jerusalem was targeted by a rocket for the first time in decades.

Twenty-eight Palestinians and three Israelis have died since Wednesday when Israel killed Hamas's military chief.

Israel says it has since targeted some 600 sites in Gaza.

In a call to PM Benjamin Netanyahu, Barack Obama repeated the US's support for Israel's "right to defend itself".

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Gaza City: Tweeting violence


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Rocket took off less than half a kilometre from our office in #Gaza. It was huge so we are bracing ourselves for an #Israeli response.”


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Militants and civilians, including at least seven children, were among the Palestinian dead, Palestinian officials said.

Hamas's military leader Ahmed Jabari was killed by an Israeli air strike on Wednesday. A senior commander was killed on Friday, Hamas said.

"Tonight won't be calm in Gaza," Israeli army spokesman Yoav Mordechai said on Friday.



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When the F16s fly low, it's like a monster chasing its victim”

Muhammad Abu Shaban, Gaza City
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It was terrifying for my nieces and nephews”

Two Israeli women and a man died when a rocket fired from Gaza hit a building in the southern town of Kiryat Malachi on Thursday, Israeli officials said.

Before the recent offensive, Israel had repeatedly carried out air strikes on Gaza, as Palestinian militants fired rockets across the border.

It is not clear if the rocket targeting Jerusalem was the same Iranian-built Fajr-5 launched towards Tel Aviv for the second day on Friday.

The rockets have an estimated range of 75km (45 miles).

A rocket landed in Gush Etzion, south of Jerusalem. Haaretz newspaper said it was the first time since 1970 that a rocket had been fired into Jerusalem.

Police have been checking to see whether a second rocket fell in the Jerusalem area.

A missile targeting Tel Aviv appears to have done no harm, with police officials quoted variously as saying it had landed in the sea or in an unpopulated area.

It is the first time Tel Aviv has come under attack since the 1991 Gulf War.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20372920

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PostRe: Rock the Casbah | Gaza and Israel at War Rd 232
by Floex » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:16 am

I was reading about IDF earlier today, they are actually live tweeting their plans of their attack on Gaza

https://mobile.twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson/tweets

Twitter taken to a whole new level

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by Floex » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:27 am

The twitter feed is gold :lol:

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PostRe: Rock the Casbah | Gaza and Israel at War Rd 232
by Minto » Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:36 am

strawberry floating bots are taking over this place!

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PostRe: Rock the Casbah | Gaza and Israel at War Rd 232
by 1cmanny1 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:38 am

Terry you strawberry float?

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PostRe: Rock the Casbah | Gaza and Israel at War Rd 232
by Alvin Flummux » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:19 am

Israeli air strikes have targeted the headquarters of Gaza's Hamas leaders, as the bombardment of the coastal enclave moved into a fourth day.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20374282

It's going to just keep on escalating, isn't it?

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PostRe: Rock the Casbah | Gaza and Israel at War Rd 232
by mcjihge2 » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:13 am

I had a dream last night that Israel invaded Malaysia and started world war III

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PostRe: Rock the Casbah | Gaza and Israel at War Rd 232
by Moggy » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:42 am

mcjihge2 wrote:I had a dream last night that Israel invaded Malaysia and started world war III


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PostRe: Rock the Casbah | Gaza and Israel at War Rd 232
by still » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:09 am

Alvin Flummux wrote:
Israeli air strikes have targeted the headquarters of Gaza's Hamas leaders, as the bombardment of the coastal enclave moved into a fourth day.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20374282

It's going to just keep on escalating, isn't it?

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PostRe: Rock the Casbah | Gaza and Israel at War Rd 232
by Meep » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:50 pm

Funny how Israel always end up in these conflicts in the run up to elections there, usually for no better reason than they decided to give the hornets nest a good booting...

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PostRe: Rock the Casbah | Gaza and Israel at War Rd 232
by kommissarboris » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:33 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:
Israeli air strikes have targeted the headquarters of Gaza's Hamas leaders, as the bombardment of the coastal enclave moved into a fourth day.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20374282

It's going to just keep on escalating, isn't it?


Na, Isreal will kick the gooseberry fool outta them for a few weeks then it goes back to that awkward state again.

Kinda like when you get drunk and your partner gives you jibba and you kick the gooseberry fool outta them and then the next day, and the next few weeks are really weird, than it seems normal again then you get drunk again and they give you jibba again and it all happens again.

Like that, but with phosphorus.

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PostRe: Rock the Casbah | Gaza and Israel at War Rd 232
by Qikz » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:47 am

I'm really happy that my Dad and my step family moved out of Israel when they did. Apparently one of the recent rocket attacks was aimed at near where they lived. :/

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by Skarjo » Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:58 am

Moggy wrote:
mcjihge2 wrote:I had a dream last night that Israel invaded Malaysia and started world war III


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kommissarboris wrote:
Alvin Flummux wrote:
Israeli air strikes have targeted the headquarters of Gaza's Hamas leaders, as the bombardment of the coastal enclave moved into a fourth day.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20374282

It's going to just keep on escalating, isn't it?


Na, Isreal will kick the gooseberry fool outta them for a few weeks then it goes back to that awkward state again.

Kinda like when you get drunk and your partner gives you jibba and you kick the gooseberry fool outta them and then the next day, and the next few weeks are really weird, than it seems normal again then you get drunk again and they give you jibba again and it all happens again.

Like that, but with phosphorus.


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PostRe: Rock the Casbah | Gaza and Israel at War Rd 232
by Poser » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:58 am

I don't get why people get so worked up about Hamas. It's just chickpeas.

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PostRe: Rock the Casbah | Gaza and Israel at War Rd 232
by Alvin Flummux » Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:39 pm

Palestine's status has been upgraded to Non-Member Observer State:

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/no ... eborah-orr

An interesting article on why this may be a bad thing for Palestinians:

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Yesterday, the general assembly voted to admit Palestine as a state with observer status. Despite assurances to the contrary, the new state is likely to undermine the status of the PLO at the UN. Whereas the PLO represented all Palestinians, the PA only represents West Bankers. This recognition has diminished the Palestinian state geographically from 43% of historic Palestine granted by the partition plan to less than 18% of it (possibly 10%, if we factor annexations, settlements, military areas, etc), and has reduced Palestinians from 12 million people to 2.4 million West Bankers, 40% of whom are refugees.

The vote is essentially an update of the partition plan of 1947, whereby the UN now grants Jewish colonists and their descendants 80-90% of Palestine, leaving the rest to the native inhabitants, and it risks abrogating the refugees' right of return.

A small minority native to the West Bank (about 1.3 million people), for whom the PA claims to speak, will gain UN status as a state under occupation, while the Palestinian refugees in the West Bank (1 million people), along with six million other refugees, risk losing their right of return.

By recognising a diminished Palestinian state, the vote effectively abandons the UN understanding of the "Jewish state" as one that has no right to discriminate against or ethnically cleanse non-Jews. The new arrangement confers the blessing of this international forum on the Israeli understanding of what a "Jewish state" entails– namely, the actually existing legal discrimination and ethnic cleansing practised by Israel –as acceptable. That this occurred on 29 November, the date of the partition plan, reiterates this date as one of continuing defeats for the Palestinians who continue to suffer from Israel's colonial laws, and repeats UN guilt in denying Palestinians their rights not to suffer dispossession and racism. The Palestinians, however, whose majority is not represented by the PA, will no more heed this new partition plan than they did the last one and will continue to resist Israeli colonialism until it comes to an end and until Israel becomes a state for all its citizens with equal rights to all regardless of national, religious, or ethnic background.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... status-quo


Predictably, Israel has retaliated by going all colonial on Palestine:

Israel has authorised the construction of 3,000 more housing units in occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank, according to Israeli officials.

It is also speeding up the processing of 1,000 planning permissions.

The Palestinian Authority has said it will not return to peace talks without a freeze in settlement building.

The decision comes a day after a vote at the UN General Assembly upgraded the Palestinians' status at the UN to that of non-member observer state.

According to the Israeli Haaretz newspaper, some of the new units will be between Jerusalem and the settlement of Maale Adumim.

Plans to build settlements in the area, known as E1, are strongly opposed by Palestinians, who say the development will cut the West Bank in two, preventing the creation of a contiguous Palestinian state.

The move is a first indication of Israeli anger, less than 24 hours after the vote on Palestinian status was held at the UN, the BBC's Kevin Connolly in Jerusalem reports.

The Palestinians may well have been expecting this - or something like it - but it is a reminder that the gulf between the two on the settlement issue remains huge, our correspondent adds.

Earlier this month, a paper by the Israeli foreign ministry described the Palestinians' pushing for the vote as "crossing a red line that will require the harshest Israeli response".

About 500,000 Jews live in more than 100 settlements built since the occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem. The settlements are considered illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this.

'Political theatre'

Earlier on Friday, Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev said the UN vote was "negative political theatre" that would "hurt peace".

The General Assembly voted by 138-9 to recognise the Palestinians as a non-member observer state, with 41 states abstaining.

The Palestinians can now take part in UN debates and potentially join bodies like the International Criminal Court (ICC).

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said it was the "last chance to save the two-state solution" with Israel.

Two decades of on-off negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority (PA) in the West Bank have failed to produce a permanent settlement, with the latest round of direct negotiations breaking down in 2010.

In January, several months of indirect "proximity talks" ended without any progress.

Palestinian negotiators insist that the building of Jewish settlements on occupied land must stop before they agree to resume direct talks.

Their Israeli counterparts say there can be no preconditions.

Mr Abbas was much criticised by many Palestinians for remaining on the sidelines of the conflict between the militant Hamas movement and Israel earlier this month in Gaza.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20552391

I am seriously strawberry floating sick of Israel's gooseberry fool. I know Palestine's not without a massive burden of blame all its own, but this is flat unacceptable and, characteristic of all of Israel's responses to everything ever, utterly disproportionate. But beyond complaints from several UN member states, absolutely nothing is going to be done to stop them, thanks to western Jewish lobby groups - which hold more sway than they have any right to. Israel should be a pariah state, but thanks to those lobby groups it gets away with ethnic cleansing and colonialism and all kinds of crap like that, which any other country would be invaded for.

How can peace ever be achieved if Israel keeps doing this kind of thing in retaliation, which it knows will stir up trouble for decades to come? The only reason I can come up with is that they don't really recognize Palestine's right to statehood (even while most Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist); the two-state solution doesn't figure into their long-term plans, because those plans involve the eventual takeover of every scrap of historic Palestinian land and the forcible expulsion and expatriation of its inhabitants. They're just going to keep on whittling away at Palestine, planting settlements a few at a time hither and thither as their tantrums and religious zealots dictate, walling them off as they go, kicking out Palestinians and shattering the contiguous Palestinian state into hundreds of tiny walled-in pieces, to be absorbed whenever the last Palestinians leave or capitulate.

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PostRe: Rock the Casbah | Gaza and Israel at War Rd 232
by Moggy » Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:07 pm

The rest of the world should just build a giant wall around the entire area and let them get on with it.

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by $ilva $hadow » Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:27 pm

Israel is a JEWISH country, their government and laws based and founded on religion. The opposition are muslims, with the same religious background and basis for everything.

YOU figure out why things are so strawberry floated up over there. Religion. Again.

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PostRe: Rock the Casbah | Gaza and Israel at War Rd 232
by Meep » Sat Dec 01, 2012 5:33 pm

The way I think this will end is after decades of gradual erosion the remaining territories not belong to Israeli are completely annexed and the native population expatriated and made refugees in neighboring Arab states, who will not exactly greet them with open arms. If by the end of the twenty-first century this has not happened I would be surprised.

Israel's unofficial policy is to keep pushing out walls and settlements until they have total control of the region. It's the only way to explain why their actions do not match their words.


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