Rogue One: A Star Wars Story **Warning: Spoilers in thread**

Rudolphin wrote:My problem was the end was that in ANH Vader states that the Tantive intercepted a Rebel transmission. At the end of Rogue One, he himself sees that ship fly off after a crew member smuggled a copy of the plans on board.

Also, why the hell was Leia at the battle?

Short one first: Leia was there to take the plans directly to Alderaan.

Longer one: they did intercept a rebel transmission! That was the whole last hour of the film! Rebels making a transmission!

So Vader boards the ship and sees them escape. He then has to go back to his Star Destroyer before they can chase after them. Assuming the Tantive IV is a fast ship (it is a blockade runner), they could amass enough of a head start to reasonably pretend they were nowhere near the incident. They play dumb in IV because what else could they do other than play for time and hope that let R2 get off the ship? You see it all the time in programmes like Road Wars - yeah mate, search the house I ain't got no drugs yeah but those drugs aren't mine are they?

I had a quick glance at the script of IV and Vader does mention plans being beamed aboard once. It is (a) of no material consequence to the story, (b) technically correct from a certain point of view, in a sort of grandfather's axe way. They were beamed to the larger cruiser (can't remember if it was the Mon Cal or the frigate), which the Tantive IV was docked in. Therefore, maybe as far as Vader knows it was beamed directly to the blockade runner to save time, and Vader is trying to intercept the ship before it leaves. You have to ask: if Vader knew that those rebels were throwing the hard copy of the plans through the corridor, why wouldn't he use force pull to take it? There was certainly beaming involved somewhere anyway!

Episode IV on its own leads you to believe that this was a covert spy operation by a few lone ships in the middle of deep space, and Vader has been playing cat and mouse for ages. Now we know it was nowhere near as covert as they would have liked.

I don't know, I've only seen Rogue One once, and this ruins neither film for me. It's just changed one of my preconceptions.

It does make make me laugh that for 30 years Star Wars fans have wanted more X Wings and more Vader, and they deliver it and Star Wars fans suddenly turn more nerdy than Star Trek fans when it comes to continuity!

Just got out. I was super disappointed. Overall felt it just wasn't a story worth telling.

DML wrote:Just got out. I was super disappointed. Overall felt it just wasn't a story worth telling.

Can't understand this point of view at all if you like Star Wars.

How is the story of the building of the Death Star and what ultimately lead to its destruction...not a story worth telling in the Star Wars universe? What exactly were you expecting from the film before you went in?

HSH28 wrote:

DML wrote:Just got out. I was super disappointed. Overall felt it just wasn't a story worth telling.

Can't understand this point of view at all if you like Star Wars.

How is the story of the building of the Death Star and what ultimately lead to its destruction...not a story worth telling in the Star Wars universe? What exactly were you expecting from the film before you went in?

I was expecting it to add something worthwhile to the shorthand I already knew. I didn't personally think it did.

DML wrote:

HSH28 wrote:

DML wrote:Just got out. I was super disappointed. Overall felt it just wasn't a story worth telling.

Can't understand this point of view at all if you like Star Wars.

How is the story of the building of the Death Star and what ultimately lead to its destruction...not a story worth telling in the Star Wars universe? What exactly were you expecting from the film before you went in?

I was expecting it to add something worthwhile to the shorthand I already knew. I didn't personally think it did.

Wow, that's just an inexplicable point of view from where I'm sitting.

HSH28 wrote:

DML wrote:

HSH28 wrote:

DML wrote:Just got out. I was super disappointed. Overall felt it just wasn't a story worth telling.

Can't understand this point of view at all if you like Star Wars.

How is the story of the building of the Death Star and what ultimately lead to its destruction...not a story worth telling in the Star Wars universe? What exactly were you expecting from the film before you went in?

I was expecting it to add something worthwhile to the shorthand I already knew. I didn't personally think it did.

Wow, that's just an inexplicable point of view from where I'm sitting.

You are widely mocked for your points of view though. Maybe stand up and look at some other views. It just didn't do anything for me at all.

DML wrote:You are widely mocked for your points of view though. Maybe stand up and look at some other views. It just didn't do anything for me at all.

I'm not really sure widely mocked is appropriate. I'll admit I have a fair number of what seem like minority opinions on this forum.

However, this is not one of them. I think you'll find in this particular case, its your opinion that might be subject to some mocking. Of course I could be wrong, but it seems like the vast majority of people I've seen or heard comment on the film actually thought it was rather good.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but don't be surprised if others challenge you on it.

HSH28 wrote:

DML wrote:You are widely mocked for your points of view though. Maybe stand up and look at some other views. It just didn't do anything for me at all.

I'm not really sure widely mocked is appropriate. I'll admit I have a fair number of what seem like minority opinions on this forum.

However, this is not one of them. I think you'll find in this particular case, its your opinion that might be subject to some mocking. Of course I could be wrong, but it seems like the vast majority of people I've seen or heard comment on the film actually thought it was rather good.

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but don't be surprised if others challenge you on it.

I don't mind being challenged on it. I just find it hard to understand that you can't possibly fathom how I didn't like it. It's not like it's the best Star Wars film ever made or anything. I preferred it to say Attack of the Clones....

DML is obviously completely wrong as number 4 makes much more sense. However I respect his mid guided views.

I gotta say, I think I probably agree with DML. Hey ho.

DML being right (eventually) about Andy Murray has a lot to answer for.

I was trying to explain to my brother why it was worth watching despite the ending being obvious. It's basically the Halo Reach of Star Wars. I'm on team HSH when it comes to this film. Sorry DML!

Dowbolph wrote:

Rudolphin wrote:My problem was the end was that in ANH Vader states that the Tantive intercepted a Rebel transmission. At the end of Rogue One, he himself sees that ship fly off after a crew member smuggled a copy of the plans on board.

Also, why the hell was Leia at the battle?

Short one first: Leia was there to take the plans directly to Alderaan.

Longer one: they did intercept a rebel transmission! That was the whole last hour of the film! Rebels making a transmission!

So Vader boards the ship and sees them escape. He then has to go back to his Star Destroyer before they can chase after them. Assuming the Tantive IV is a fast ship (it is a blockade runner), they could amass enough of a head start to reasonably pretend they were nowhere near the incident. They play dumb in IV because what else could they do other than play for time and hope that let R2 get off the ship? You see it all the time in programmes like Road Wars - yeah mate, search the house I ain't got no drugs yeah but those drugs aren't mine are they?

I had a quick glance at the script of IV and Vader does mention plans being beamed aboard once. It is (a) of no material consequence to the story, (b) technically correct from a certain point of view, in a sort of grandfather's axe way. They were beamed to the larger cruiser (can't remember if it was the Mon Cal or the frigate), which the Tantive IV was docked in. Therefore, maybe as far as Vader knows it was beamed directly to the blockade runner to save time, and Vader is trying to intercept the ship before it leaves. You have to ask: if Vader knew that those rebels were throwing the hard copy of the plans through the corridor, why wouldn't he use force pull to take it? There was certainly beaming involved somewhere anyway!

Episode IV on its own leads you to believe that this was a covert spy operation by a few lone ships in the middle of deep space, and Vader has been playing cat and mouse for ages. Now we know it was nowhere near as covert as they would have liked.

I don't know, I've only seen Rogue One once, and this ruins neither film for me. It's just changed one of my preconceptions.

I agree with this mostly. I don't think Vader actually knew that they had the plans as a hard copy. He was just literally trying to board the ship. At that point I don't think he actually knew the plans had been stolen. Or if he did he was only aware that they had been transmitted and a ship would have picked up the data,not that they actually existed as a hard copy.

What I'm struggling with is Vader obviously learns the plans are aboard that ship abit later and that he needs to capture the ship. He knows that the tantive was present at the battle as he literally tried to board it personally. So when he catches up with the ship in IV and Leia claims that it's a diplomatic ship Vader knows she is talking gooseberry fool as he personally witnessed the ship at the battle yet he mentions none of this to leia.

Also I'm struggling with where Ben kenobi fits into all this. He is all but name checked aearlier in the film, yet from what I understand the plans where being transported to Alderan by Leia. She mentions this to Vader "this is a consular ship on a diplomatic mission to Alderan" purportedly as a means to provide a sort of alibi as to why they are heading to Alderan. So why do they find themselves above tatooine? Is this just blind luck that the only other Jedi supposedly left in the galaxy, other than Yoda. Who is mentioned earlier in the film, Is living on the planet that they find themselves being captured Above. Leia is obviously aware of Ben kenobi as she hides the plans in R2 and sends him. Maybe they diverted to tatooine or something I really don't know. Just seems all abit too convenient.

Also Red leader and gold leader 4 lyfe. Wedge would have been great. Porkins got shafted.

Great film though.

Leia's runner presumably got a head start on Vader as he had to return to his Star Destroyer. I'm also guessing hers isn't the only ship of that class, so it's reasonable to assume that after the jump to hyperspace the Empire lost them

Skippy wrote:Leia's runner presumably got a head start on Vader as he had to return to his Star Destroyer. I'm also guessing hers isn't the only ship of that class, so it's reasonable to assume that after the jump to hyperspace the Empire lost them

This is my assumption also in the battle I'm sure I saw other ships of that class. Also there's no suggestion as to how soon ep4 starts after rogue one.

Before my view gets twisted out of control, I didn't hate the film. It was pleasant enough, I just couldn't see myself watching it again. I also think there's now a few things that no longer make sense as a result of the film existing, but then I'm not the biggest Star Wars nut, just someone who really enjoys the films.

Attack Of the Clones is an outright terrible film. This is certainly not that. It just felt more if a cash grab and less of a necessary story than I was expecting, especially after the last film.

I absolutely loved Force Awakens and still like it as much now, as I suspect the story will be twisted come the next major film making that ones similarity plot necessary.

DML wrote:Attack Of the Clones is an outright terrible film. This is certainly not that. It just felt more if a cash grab and less of a necessary story than I was expecting, especially after the last film.

Second time you've mentioned Attack of the Clones as if its the worst of the films...it isn't. Phantom Menace is miles worse and personally I thought that Revenge of the Sith was definitely worse than it too.

Don't get me wrong though, the prequel trilogy are all bad. Comparing any of them to Rogue One is just wrong.

I think most of the people I've spoken to that have seen the film thought that it was better than Force Awakens. Personally I think it stands alongside A New Hope and would have made an excellent end to a prequel trilogy that would have actually been good.

To say you don't even think it was a story worth telling, makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.

The strawberry float... AOTC is appalling and easily the worst prequel. As gooseberry fool as it is, at least TPM feels more like a star wars film than the other two.