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by Starbreaker » Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:28 pm



He really is a tool.

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by chalkitdown » Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:39 pm

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by Hyperion » Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:43 pm

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:46 pm

Starbreaker wrote:

He really is a tool.


A lot of 'real' rugby fans seem to be going mad about Italy's tactics. I have no idea what they have done wrong. I don't understand it, but i'm a casual rugby fan and don't understand all the rules. What i do know is that rugby's rule book is very strict and is very alien to a football fan. Every team has to play the same formation for example. That's the rules of rugby, unlike football where you can position players where you like.

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PostRe: Rugby Union Thread
by Starbreaker » Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:48 pm

Why on earth weren't we doing that against the no-contest rucks in the first half.

Farrell has had lead in his boots today. Not a lot to take from this really, least we get a bonus point somehow.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:53 pm

36-15, easy win.

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PostRe: Rugby Union Thread
by Starbreaker » Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:54 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Starbreaker wrote:

He really is a tool.


A lot of 'real' rugby fans seem to be going mad about Italy's tactics. I have no idea what they have done wrong. I don't understand it, but i'm a casual rugby fan and don't understand all the rules. What i do know is that rugby's rule book is very strict and is very alien to a football fan. Every team has to play the same formation for example. That's the rules of rugby, unlike football where you can position players where you like.


First off: laws not rules ;)

Secondly, it's almost the same as football in regards to that. Yeah, you have to have players in named positions (so forwards for the scrum for instance) but there's nowt t stop you playing them where you want except in set pieces, sorta like you have to have the keeper in goal in a penalty shoot out. Obviously the brunt of the tactics are pretty similar (forwards tend to be bigger, second rows taller etc) but there's a surprising amount of variation, I'd argue more so than in football. So you could have a winger who's speedy or a winger who's bigger and slower who can break tackles. Or centres who are more like pseudo-fly half/wingers or centres who play crash ball and build a base for the big boys. I get all that but what I don't get is Matt Dawson frothing at the mouth for Italy using a legitimate (if odd) tactic that England didn't have the wherewithal to figure out and it nearly cost them.

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PostRe: Rugby Union Thread
by Lotus » Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:56 pm

Never in doubt :datass:

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PostRe: Rugby Union Thread
by Knoyleo » Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:58 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:
Starbreaker wrote:

He really is a tool.


A lot of 'real' rugby fans seem to be going mad about Italy's tactics. I have no idea what they have done wrong. I don't understand it, but i'm a casual rugby fan and don't understand all the rules. What i do know is that rugby's rule book is very strict and is very alien to a football fan. Every team has to play the same formation for example. That's the rules of rugby, unlike football where you can position players where you like.

It's a popular tactic in Super Rugby, and Australia have used it against Northern Hemisphere teams before as well. It's just not something that's really seen in NH rugby. I really hope Dawson is joking, there, but all Italy were doing was playing to the rules of the breakdown. Anyone going mad about it as a tactic would be better off directing their anger at the inability of the English side to work out a counter to it.

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PostRe: Rugby Union Thread
by Starbreaker » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:05 pm

Yup. Totally clueless, if they'd recycled as soon as the tackle went in there'd have been no problem as shown in the second half. Italy using the laws of the game to exploit a flaw is...well, rugby.

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PostRe: Rugby Union Thread
by Kanbei » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:22 pm

There has already been talk of the laws being changed so the offside line appears after a tackle. Hasn't happened yet though.

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PostRe: Rugby Union Thread
by Rax » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:22 am

Its on of the ELVs being trialed somewhere I believe. The currently wording is a ruck forms when at least one player from each side is engaged over the tackle. The new wording just the "from each side is engaged" part so anyone over the tackle area is forming a ruck.

The really interesting thing about Italys tactic is none of the English players seem to actually know the rules at ruck time, very strange considering theyre professionals who should know these little intricacies.

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PostRe: Rugby Union Thread
by Starbreaker » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:40 am

Well yeah but forwards nowadays are drilled to play the game a certain way, it's so drilled into them from the training ground that it's just instinct. Not that surprising that in the middle of the action 7 or 8 players can't immediately adapt to something so alien.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:42 am

Rax wrote:Its on of the ELVs being trialed somewhere I believe. The currently wording is a ruck forms when at least one player from each side is engaged over the tackle. The new wording just the "from each side is engaged" part so anyone over the tackle area is forming a ruck.

The really interesting thing about Italys tactic is none of the English players seem to actually know the rules at ruck time, very strange considering theyre professionals who should know these little intricacies.


I suppose they just become robots and are conditioned to play one way, suddenly something different happens and they don't know what to do.

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PostRe: Rugby Union Thread
by Rax » Mon Feb 27, 2017 11:13 am

Its definitely a case of having it drilled into them how to behave and being a bit robotic but Im still a little surprised that players at that level arent able to adapt a bit quicker.

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by Drumstick » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:30 pm

IMO Italy should be commended for employing a tactic that is a little 'out of the box' and completely flummoxing England for the entire first half, so much so that it visibly affected their performance level.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:52 pm

Drumstick wrote:IMO Italy should be commended for employing a tactic that is a little 'out of the box' and completely flummoxing England for the entire first half, so much so that it visibly affected their performance level.


I've read more about it this morning and I have no problem with what Italy did. It's all within the rules, just because everyone does it one way doesn't mean you have to do the same.

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PostRe: Rugby Union Thread
by Rax » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:54 pm

Drumstick wrote:IMO Italy should be commended for employing a tactic that is a little 'out of the box' and completely flummoxing England for the entire first half, so much so that it visibly affected their performance level.

A better tactic would have been to spring it on them in the second half and not give England the luxury of regrouping at half time. Of course they werent to know that once they started it the 15 lads in white wouldnt have a clue what was happening or how they should counteract it.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Mon Feb 27, 2017 1:55 pm

Rax wrote:
Drumstick wrote:IMO Italy should be commended for employing a tactic that is a little 'out of the box' and completely flummoxing England for the entire first half, so much so that it visibly affected their performance level.

A better tactic would have been to spring it on them in the second half and not give England the luxury of regrouping at half time. Of course they werent to know that once they started it the 15 lads in white wouldnt have a clue what was happening or how they should counteract it.


If they had waited until half time England would probably have been too far ahead.

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PostRe: Rugby Union Thread
by Rax » Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:00 pm

Thats also true.


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