Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?

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by Garth » Wed May 06, 2009 12:44 am

Rumored Microsoft 3D Wii killer: we think we played with it
Microsoft is dealing with its own E3 rumors, including a new product that will bring motion-sensing controls to the 360 without a handheld peripheral. We saw the exact same technology at CES 2008. Better yet, Microsoft has been in talks to buy the company in question. Ars explores what could be the next big thing in gaming.

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The rumors, leaked images, and speculation are only going to get worse as we move closer to E3, and now it's Microsoft's turn to bear the scrutiny of the gaming press. A report making the rounds, along with a "leaked" photo from Engadget, seems to show a type of sensor bar that will allow gamers to control their games using only their body. You don't have to hold any hardware, there is interaction with both video and sound, and the system is able to focus on the player and ignore the rest of the movement in the room. How likely is this rumor? Very. In fact, we think we already saw and demoed the technology... last year.

Microsoft is making it clear that the company will have big things in store for E3. “Microsoft is gearing up for a big presence at E3 which will completely transform how people think about home entertainment," Don Mattrick, senior vice president for the Interactive Entertainment Business at Microsoft, said in a statement at the beginning of the month. European executive David Gosen also hinted that E3 this year would be "gaming changing." It seems that people are comfortable with big promises, on the record.

So what fits the description of the technology according to the leak? At CES last year we met with a company called 3DV that showed off a small Web-camera-like device that was able to detect movement and interaction in 3D space. We even played a boxing game that worked very, very well. Even more impressive was the ability to control media functions with gestures. You could swipe your way through your movies, interact with pictures, change channels, all with a small camera and your arms. Imagine a Microsoft Surface—without the Surface.

In my years of covering games I've sat through literally hundreds of briefings and tech demos at trade shows, and what impressed me about 3DV was how real the technology was. Most companies are all show and no go at trade shows, but 3DV had a camera I could pick up and look at. They had a game I could play, as well as demos of the user interface functions. It was all there, and it was all working. "We're going to be launching comfortably in the sub-$100 area," Tomer Barel, VP of Marketing and Product Management for 3DV, told us.

The 3DV camera does everything the new Microsoft rumor suggests. So is there a connection? Of course there is. In February, Reuters started talking about reports that Microsoft was buying the company, and chief among the uses for the company's ZCam were gaming and teleconferencing applications. Sound familiar?

Every feature discussed in the Engadget report—every single one—we saw in action in January 2008, by a company that Microsoft was reported to be in talks to buy, using sub-$100 technology that was mature more than 15 months ago.

If Microsoft is going to be showing its own version of the ZCam hardware, it could be bringing motion control that, in our time spent with it, felt even better than Nintendo's. The difference is that this technology works without having to hold any peripherals, with the power of the 360 bringing high-resolution graphics and surround sound, and at a good price. You could use the hardware to pause your streaming Netflix movies, or browse the music on your 360's hard drive. The features of the ZCam brought to the 360 simply makes sense.

Or the original leak and rumor were just that, and we may be spinning our wheels. After contacting Microsoft we received the expected lack of comment. Still, the possibilities here are more than enough to get excited by.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009 ... -at-e3.ars

XCam maybe? :P

Very positive impressions of the technology there, I'd prefer it if they took this route rather than cloning the Wiimote.

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by LewisD » Wed May 06, 2009 7:08 am

Sounds awesome if true!
Sounds like you'll be able to go all 'minority report' on your pictures and videos :D

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by Octoroc » Wed May 06, 2009 8:16 am

In what way is this different to the EyeToy?

How does it detect movement it can't "see"?

How can I point at things? - pointing is one of the Wii's strongest features.

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by Christopher » Wed May 06, 2009 8:53 am

That's a retail kit :?

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by SuperFinal » Wed May 06, 2009 9:13 am

suzzopher wrote:That's a retail kit :?

Some 360 dev kits actually look strikingly similar to retail kits.

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by Christopher » Wed May 06, 2009 9:14 am

SuperFinal wrote:
suzzopher wrote:That's a retail kit :?

Some 360 dev kits actually look strikingly similar to retail kits.


I thought they all had those case things on the top where the HDD is? Even the early 360 ones here have that.

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by Rik » Wed May 06, 2009 9:31 am

This looks quite interesting rather than a Wii rip off, at least they are trying to take it to the next level. However I've seen so many E3 MS leaks over the years that weren't true (HDDVD 360, Blu Ray add on, waggle controller) that I'll wait for confirmation.

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by Raide » Wed May 06, 2009 10:45 am

I am interested to see what kind of software they unveil to go along with this, my only question is how on earth with you do games that require character movement ala, FPS, 3rd Person games?

Are they going to have you holding your pad and doing gestures as well?

I hope they do NXE integration for some Minority Report based Avatar fun. :lol:

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by Eighthours » Wed May 06, 2009 10:55 am

From an interface point of view this sounds interesting, but for actual gameplay it sounds like little more than a glorified EyeToy. Of course, if you're not lamely seeing yourself on the screen as usual, but instead are just doing the movements, perfectly picked up, then it could be good.

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by Garth » Wed May 06, 2009 10:57 am

Octoroc wrote:In what way is this different to the EyeToy?


Depth perception would be the main difference, I think.

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by Zellery » Wed May 06, 2009 11:03 am

I think it would have looked very desperate on Microsoft's behalf if they had just cloned the Wii-mote straight up. This however at least shows that they're trying to take the next step forward in terms of the technology.

Looks very interesting anyway and I'll be keeping a close eye on it.

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by Octoroc » Wed May 06, 2009 11:09 am

Garth wrote:
Octoroc wrote:In what way is this different to the EyeToy?


Depth perception would be the main difference, I think.


Ah I see- they're using two cameras so they can measure parallax displacement. Depth perception is still possible without parallax though- as many partially sighted people will tell you.

Either way you still have to be in full view of the camera(s) which are also affected by lighting and background noise.

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by Kanbei » Wed May 06, 2009 11:40 am

Sounds very interesting, going to keep an eye on this.

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by RamSteelwood » Wed May 06, 2009 4:27 pm

you THINK it's just detecting movement, but really microsoft are watching your every move, and uploading clips of your gurning faces to youtube, and sending every pratfall into "you've been framed" for a sweet £250 in the bank.

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by Venom » Wed May 06, 2009 4:30 pm

I'd quite like a titty squeezing game. :shifty:

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by SEP » Wed May 06, 2009 4:37 pm

VenomUK wrote:I'd quite like a titty squeezing game. :shifty:


Doctor Kawashima's Foreplay Training?

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by KK » Wed May 06, 2009 4:38 pm

Someone in the office has blatantly stumbled upon an episode of ZCars after watching some dirty cam porn & named it accordingly.

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by Venom » Wed May 06, 2009 5:17 pm

MCN wrote:
VenomUK wrote:I'd quite like a titty squeezing game. :shifty:


Doctor Kawashima's Foreplay Training?


I read that this thing can detect finger gestures...

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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by Rik » Mon May 18, 2009 6:59 pm

Full Article:
Microsoft Swings at Wii With Videocam
May 18, 2009 | Chris Payatagool
3DCamera.jpgBy NICK WINGFIELD

Microsoft Corp. is developing a new videocamera for the Xbox 360 console that will allow players to control games with the movement of their bodies, people familiar with the matter said, an effort to attract the casual players who have fueled Nintendo Co.'s recent success.

The Microsoft device is a twist on Nintendo's blockbuster Wii game console, which allows users to swing a tennis racket or other equipment in games by holding a plastic wand in their hands.

Unlike the Wii, the Microsoft camera won't require users to hold any hardware to control on-screen action, the people familiar with the matter said. The camera would sit near the television and capture when players move their hands, legs or head.

A spokesman for the Redmond, Wash., company declined to comment.

The camera represents another effort by the games industry to reach out to consumers with more intuitive playing methods than traditional game controllers, with their array of joysticks and buttons.

Microsoft's camera uses 3-D technology, which gives players more accurate control over games than earlier game cameras did, the people said.

The potential move suggests Microsoft is stepping up efforts to gain ground on Nintendo, the leader in the market for the current generation of game consoles. A spokeswoman for Nintendo declined to comment.

Although Nintendo recently signaled that demand for its Wii may start to slow, it sold 601,000 Wii consoles in the U.S. in March, more machines than Microsoft and Sony Corp. combined, according to NPD Group, which tracks retail sales.

The Microsoft camera could be unveiled as early as the E3 videogame industry conference next month, though it likely won't be released until next year, the people said.

Microsoft, which saw revenue in its games division fall 1.6% to $1.57 billion in the latest quarter, is likely to sell the camera first as an accessory and could ultimately bundle it with the Xbox 360, a person familiar with the company's plans said. Pricing couldn't be determined.

The camera is based on technology that Microsoft developed. Microsoft also recently acquired an Israeli start-up called 3DV Systems Ltd., which has developed a 3-D camera and holds related patents, according to a person familiar with the matter.

In an email, Zvika Klier, chief executive of 3DV Systems, said "unfortunately I can't comment on the rumors surrounding this deal. ...We will provide more information when we can."


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PostRe: Rumour: Microsoft to unveil ZCam for 360?
by SEP » Mon May 18, 2009 7:11 pm

Yay for slightly more developed Eyetoy!

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