Science - strawberry float YEAH

Falsey wrote:
Lucien wrote:
Moggy wrote:stasis type arrangement (like in Alien) would be best. Sleep for a few decades at a time and then you don't even notice the time you have spent floating through nothingness.

Unless your stasis machine breaks.

Machines on independant redundant power networks. That way if you lose one group, there are still others. Acceptable losses.

Is it wrong to hear that sentence in Mordin's Voice

Trying to determine how scale itch got onto Normandy, sexually transmitted disease only carried by varren. Implications... unpleasant.

PostRe: Science - strawberry float YEAH by **Igor** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:02 pm

StayDead wrote:
Meep wrote:
Moggy wrote:stasis type arrangement (like in Alien) would be best. Sleep for a few decades at a time and then you don't even notice the time you have spent floating through nothingness.

Apart from everyone you know being dead or really old when you wake up, yeah. I suppose if you committed to that it's pretty much a one way trip anyway.

No reason they couldn't send families rather than single people.

There are probably many reasons why sending families would be less beneficial than sending single people.

Ship has a 200 person capacity. You can send either:

100 already educated, sexually mature, skilled males and; 100 already educated, sexually mature, skilled females
or;
50 families in which 50% of the ship's population are dependents that require educating and possess no useful skill.

Established monogamy (marriage) probably wouldn't be a good thing on a ship whose purpose is to colonise a foreign planet.

Falsey wrote:Trying to determine how scale itch got onto Normandy, sexually transmitted disease only carried by varren. Implications... unpleasant.

Meep wrote:
Moggy wrote:stasis type arrangement (like in Alien) would be best. Sleep for a few decades at a time and then you don't even notice the time you have spent floating through nothingness.

Apart from everyone you know being dead or really old when you wake up, yeah. I suppose if you committed to that it's pretty much a one way trip anyway.

I wrote that in reply to the idea that we would be immortal by then, which would mean friends and family would still be alive. The stasis would be to stop boredom when you would be travelling for hundreds/thousands of years.

PostRe: Science - strawberry float YEAH by **Meep** » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:52 pm

Not much difference either way, now that I think about it.

Even immortal humans would still be human. What I mean is, they would not perceive the passage of time differently simply by virtue of being immortal. Therefore, if separated from loved ones for extended periods of time, they would not simply wait for centuries but build new lives for themselves with new friends, lovers and children. By they time they arrived at their destination their old life would be an irrelevance compared to the one they built on-board the ship.

So it doesn't matter if you go into stasis or not, you're still abandoning your old life because everyone will go on living without you.

I don't think people are going to forget their parents or children, no matter how long the length of time. Visiting would be a pain in the ass though.

Again, my preference for stasis would be to avoid boredom on the trip. My family being immortal on Earth (or some other planet) would be more of a comfort for me, knowing they are alive and well.

Wait - how have people become immortal?

PostRe: Science - strawberry float YEAH by **Moggy** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:15 am

Slartibartfast wrote:Wait - how have people become immortal?

Because it's easier than FTL travel.

Read the thread.

Immortality is just as impossible as going faster than light, or do you mean super long lived people?

Also, wormholes give us the best shot at travelling vast distances.

PostRe: Science - strawberry float YEAH by **Moggy** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:42 am

I don't mean anything. Read the thread!

PostRe: Science - strawberry float YEAH by **Poser** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:54 am

Nobody's ever particularly achy when they wake up after stasis sleep, are they?

I have to move slowly for about five minutes when I've been asleep for seven hours. Those feckers would be rigid for days. Probably. Also, imagine the morning glory you'd wake up with :shifty:

PostRe: Science - strawberry float YEAH by **Meep** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:18 am

Slartibartfast wrote:Immortality is just as impossible as going faster than light

You know this? Without any real science on either it's really just guess work. IMO, it would be easier to get to the point of reducing nano-machines to a level at which they can keep the body in a static condition than come up with some way of FTL. Although I doubt we would get either in our life times so the difficultly is 'relative'. My reason for guessing that is that we already have rudimentary nanotechnology whereas FTL would requiring rewriting the rule book on physics.

It doesn't matter really. My original idea was that if we somehow developed a panacea then it might be an alternative to developing FTL if wanted to explore the galaxy, as it solves the problem the distances being beyond a human time frame.

Oh yeah, immortality is relatively far easier than ftl, but still both impossible. Super extended life yes, live forever, no.

PostRe: Science - strawberry float YEAH by **That** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:36 am

Slartibartfast wrote:Oh yeah, immortality is relatively far easier than ftl, but still both impossible. Super extended life yes, live forever, no.

What on Earth is your basis for this claim? There is no scientific reason why, given someone's life could be extended to 200 or 300, someone's life could not be extended indefinitely.

The fundamental laws of the universe dictate that everything must decay. Everything. Anyone who thinks it's possible to live 'forever' is a moran.

Slartibartfast wrote:Oh yeah, immortality is relatively far easier than ftl, but still both impossible. Super extended life yes, live forever, no.

Depends. There's a lot of potential routes to immortality. You could become functionally immortal by emulating the brain to say, the atomic level, which has a lot of potential in and of itself. Among other things, you could alter the emulation to prevent the kind of degredations we see in organic brains. You can change the processing speed of the brain, allowing you to percieve the world in kind of a "time skip", allowing decades to pass as seconds, or seconds to pass like decades.

It's only functional immortality, of course, because you're dependant on an outside system (of a kind beyond current computer science) to emulate your mind. If it breaks, potentially you "die". Though even there. there's potential for data recovery.

Ad7 wrote::fp: The fundamental laws of the universe dictate that everything must decay. Everything. Anyone who thinks it's possible to live 'forever' is a moran.

If you manage to survive to the heat death of the universe, then I'd say that's pretty close to effective immortality that I'm not sure it's worth quibbling about.

Ad7 wrote::fp: The fundamental laws of the universe dictate that everything must decay. Everything. Anyone who thinks it's possible to live 'forever' is a moran.

Everything must decay, correct. Should we get to the point where organs are grown or entirely mechanical then what reason would there be to not replace them indefinately?

Still technical immortality.

Ad7 wrote:Anyone who thinks it's possible to live 'forever' is a moran.

PostRe: Science - strawberry float YEAH by **That** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 11:43 am

Oh, please, Ad7, you're being painfully disingenuous: clearly invulnerability is a discrete issue to immortality in the aging sense.

It is trivial to see that if entropy has reached such a point that there is not enough order (usable energy) left in the Universe to sustain one's processes, one would die. And it is also obvious that if the accelerating expansion of the Universe reaches such a point that atoms and molecules are ripped apart from eachother, one would die. On a nearer timescale, clearly if one is caught in the explosion of the Sun, one would die.

None of these things are an issue of "immortality" in the sense of beating aging.

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