[DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!

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Should Scotland be an independent country?

YES (I am eligible to vote in the referendum)
30
16%
NO (I am eligible to vote in the referendum)
19
10%
YES (I will not be eligible)
30
16%
NO (I will not be eligible)
111
58%
 
Total votes: 190
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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Hexx » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:12 pm

That ring represents Russia. Tightly clenches, nothing getting in there. Unlike decadent gapping rings of other nations.

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Fatal Exception » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:13 pm

Johnny Ryall wrote:
Faust wrote:Most millionaires work bloody hard for their money though, and they don't do it just to fund the underclass. Punishing success seems so backwards to me, high taxes for big earners just drives people and their money out of the country and economy. Yeh it's pretty annoying to see rich 'arseholes' driving around sports cars whilst people through no fault of their own (the disabled etc) struggle, but it's still the lesser 'evil', or the necessary 'evil'.

The disabled are a minority, so I cannot and will not prioritize their needs over the majority, and these cuts are not done for 'fun'.



Whose alt is this? I can vote but am undecided. Yet to hear anything convincing.

Cal? :lol: It's the kind of right wing vitrol he usually comes out with.

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Hexx » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:15 pm

Ffs. Stupid Tapatalk. In the wrong thread. That ring comment would be gold (get it?) in the Olympics thread :(

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Faust » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:51 pm

Your all reading stuff in my posts I have never said. Or just distorting my words.

Shame on you lot. :D

Vitrol?! :shock: I don't believe I ever degraded any group in here other than labour AND the conservatives...

I think I showed some sympathy for the disabled, i'm just not prepared to pander to them when the whole country is suffering, not just one minority.

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:55 pm

Faust wrote:Your all reading stuff in my posts I have never said. Or just distorting my words.

Shame on you lot. :D

Vitrol?! :shock: I don't believe I ever degraded any group in here other than labour AND the conservatives...


You're right. Writing this:

Most millionaires work bloody hard for their money though, and they don't do it just to fund the underclass.


is in no way degrading to anybody. Especially when written in a post referring to the disabled.

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Rocsteady » Fri Feb 07, 2014 5:56 pm

It's just the way the underclass do debates, don't let the plebs bring you down.

I voted yes (eligible) because I'm a massive racist and hate the English.


But nah I'm a big supporter of socialist political measures and am certain that if Scotland went independent we would elect people further to the political left than England. I remember there being lots of criticism initially about holding the election from the DM etc. because of the recession meaning money was tight but the right to self-determination is, I think, incredibly important. So I'm glad it's happening, though it's a virtual certainty that the no vote will win.

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Faust » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:00 pm

I didn't refer to the disabled specifically as an underclass, I was just lumping together every benefit claimant (of which I am one currently) as the 'underclass' those living on the least amount in this country. It wasn't said with malice, perhaps it was a failure of communication, but I like to call a spade a spade.

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Sleighamorph » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:04 pm

Against, though not eligible to vote, because it would be a completely pointless endeavour.
Scotland says it wants to keep the pounds, but exercise self control of it? Never going to hàppen. The British government and the Bank of England won't give even partial control of the pound to Scotland like that, so it leaves three options.
1) Allow England more or less full control of an independent Scotland's financial system (hardly independence)
2) Join the Euro (a mistake on so many levels it isn't funny)
3) Create a new currency (more than likely prohibitively expensive to establish quickly)

There's also the position of Scotland in the EU. Despite the yes campaigns claims, the most likely scenario is that Scotland will have to begin outside the EU and negotiate entry from an external position. The time that takes could be far too long for a truly independent Scotland to survive without Greece levels of buggery.

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Meep In Heavenly Peace » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:34 pm

The people top earners getting tax cuts have not had to tighten their belts. Face it, this government has made an ideological decision on how to address the budget. The huge bulk of deficit is being met by cutting back benefits and public services (things that affect the poor working and otherwise) and very little gathered by tax (more likely to impact on higher earners). To put it bluntly, the cost of clearing up the disaster left behind by the rich is being balanced on the backs of the poor.

Maybe the Scots, who do not have the cluster of super wealthy in London, are tired of this approach? They are probably understandably still pissed off at how the revenue from North Sea oil was mainly used to finance cuts to tax rates rather than being invested in Scottish infrastructure.

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Buffalo » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:37 pm

Faust wrote:I was just lumping together every benefit claimant (of which I am one currently)


Which is again wrong. People can claim certain types of benefit if they are disabled but have a job, or need help with their mobility.

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:40 pm

Faust wrote: I don't believe I ever degraded any group in here other than labour AND the conservatives...


Faust wrote:I was just lumping together every benefit claimant (of which I am one currently) as the 'underclass' those living on the least amount in this country.


I would imagine somebody out of work and desperate to find a job would feel degraded by being lumped in with actual workshy people.

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Scotticus Erroticus » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:44 pm

I'm voting yes for the simple reason that we'd be better governed and represented.

I don't think it'll happen, but it'll be a very tight decision so there's always hope.

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Rocsteady » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:47 pm

If the vote is closer than 60/40 I'll take a shite on webcam and eat it. #necknomination lol

But really, it won't be.

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Meep In Heavenly Peace » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:49 pm

ianf wrote:If the vote is closer than 60/40 I'll take a shite on webcam and eat it. #necknomination lol

But really, it won't be.


Quoting this before he has a chance to edit. :twisted:

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Faust » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:51 pm

Moggy wrote:
Faust wrote: I don't believe I ever degraded any group in here other than labour AND the conservatives...


Faust wrote:I was just lumping together every benefit claimant (of which I am one currently) as the 'underclass' those living on the least amount in this country.


I would imagine somebody out of work and desperate to find a job would feel degraded by being lumped in with actual workshy people.


Personal attacks? Is that really needed? Have my opinions really offended you that much?

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Johnny Ryall » Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:56 pm

Your hijacking of the thread kind of offends me. Zzzzz.

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Mafro » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:00 pm

Johnny Ryall wrote:Your hijacking of the thread kind of offends me. Zzzzz.

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Faust » Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:10 pm

Johnny Ryall wrote:Your hijacking of the thread kind of offends me. Zzzzz.


Man up?

;)

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Slartibartfast » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:13 pm

I hope they stay, it's too much of a ball ache if they leave. Besides, with the same head of state, money and shitty weather they had before - what difference does it make?

As an aside, there have only been two elections in the last 100 years where Scottish MPs have made a difference to the result. So England wouldn't be consigned for Tory rule.

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PostRe: Scottish independence
by Faust » Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:08 pm

There are 650 MP's and 59 of them are in Scotland (49 of which are currently labour MP's), I find it hard to believe that this doesn't have an effect on the outcome of a general election. Do you have any sources that back that up?

Also even if it is true, even one election can change the course of a nation.

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