[DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!

Our best bits.

Should Scotland be an independent country?

YES (I am eligible to vote in the referendum)
30
16%
NO (I am eligible to vote in the referendum)
19
10%
YES (I will not be eligible)
30
16%
NO (I will not be eligible)
111
58%
 
Total votes: 190
User avatar
Qikz
Member ♥
Joined in 2011

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by Qikz » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:23 pm

[iup=3569143]Corazon de Leon[/iup] wrote:In the pictures I've seen he looks broken. His entire mandate when he came into power was to make Scotland independent and he's failed - what is the point in him sticking around now that the core reason for being there is gone, Staydead?


His reasoning for being there should be to serve and protect the Scottish people. Working with goals and agendas what the Scottish people want. The Scottish people yesterday did not want independence, but that doesn't mean his job as a politician is done, the Scottish people still deserve someone to stand for what they believe in. There is also the way of thinking that Scottish independance was something he wanted for himself primarily rather than for the population of Scotland as out of every person in Scotland he was the one who would've benefitted the most out from it. I'd rather not view it that way, but I'd imagine going forward it could become a big problem.

He was a man who had goals, goals that he wanted to in the end make Scotland better.Just because you're still in the union doesn't mean that can't happen.

Last edited by Qikz on Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Image
The Watching Artist wrote:I feel so inept next to Stay Dead...
User avatar
Winckle
Member
Joined in 2008
Location: Liverpool

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by Winckle » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:25 pm

[iup=3569153]Qikz[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569143]Corazon de Leon[/iup] wrote:In the pictures I've seen he looks broken. His entire mandate when he came into power was to make Scotland independent and he's failed - what is the point in him sticking around now that the core reason for being there is gone, Staydead?


His reasoning for being there should be to serve and protect the Scottish people. Working with goals and agendas what the Scottish people want. The Scottish people yesterday did not want independence, but that doesn't mean his job as a politician is done, the Scottish people still deserve someone to stand for what they believe in. That is of course presuming Scottish independance was something he wanted forhimself primarily as he had something to gain for it, which of course may not have been his agenda, but out of every person in Scotland he was the one who would've benefitted the most out of everyone as he would've become one of the most famous, if not the most famous politician in Scottish history.

Please stop trying to smear him as a man who was only thinking of himself.

User avatar
Qikz
Member ♥
Joined in 2011

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by Qikz » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:26 pm

[iup=3569159]Winckle[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569153]Qikz[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569143]Corazon de Leon[/iup] wrote:In the pictures I've seen he looks broken. His entire mandate when he came into power was to make Scotland independent and he's failed - what is the point in him sticking around now that the core reason for being there is gone, Staydead?


His reasoning for being there should be to serve and protect the Scottish people. Working with goals and agendas what the Scottish people want. The Scottish people yesterday did not want independence, but that doesn't mean his job as a politician is done, the Scottish people still deserve someone to stand for what they believe in. That is of course presuming Scottish independance was something he wanted forhimself primarily as he had something to gain for it, which of course may not have been his agenda, but out of every person in Scotland he was the one who would've benefitted the most out of everyone as he would've become one of the most famous, if not the most famous politician in Scottish history.

Please stop trying to smear him as a man who was only thinking of himself.


I reworded my post but didn't manage to hit submit before you responded. That's not what I'm trying to do, but if you think it is then I apologise. I'm merely stating that some people might see it that way if he just gives up now.

Image
The Watching Artist wrote:I feel so inept next to Stay Dead...
User avatar
Captain Kinopio
Member
Joined in 2008
AKA: Herbi
Location: The Observatory

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by Captain Kinopio » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:27 pm

[iup=3569148]KB[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569144]Bigerich[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569113]TheWay[/iup] wrote:
TimeGhost wrote:Narrowly rejected, surely?

I'd have added extremely to the start of that sentence, TG.


There are 20% more NO voters than YES voters. That is not narrow.

It's like 390,000 votes, not a huge margin in a national vote.


In a nation of half a million it's a huge margin, in a nation of 500 million it's miniscule. In Scotland where the population is 5million (?) It's not huge but it's pretty comfortable.

User avatar
False
Member ♥
Joined in 2008

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by False » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:28 pm

No.. they'll probably see it as the man who ran on a platform of fighting for independance not meeting that goal and thus stepping down.

He has said he will continue to serve the Scottish until leadership polls in November when he'll step down. The party will probably have to rejig its manifesto now toward fighting for devo, and its reasonable that someone else will lead that.

(and he is still staying in his constituency)

Last edited by False on Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Image
User avatar
Memento Mori
Member
Joined in 2008
AKA: Emperor Mori

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by Memento Mori » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:29 pm

I can completely understand Salmond's resignation. He'd just seen his life's work fall at the last hurdle, that must be deeply soul-crushing.

User avatar
Rocsteady
Member
Joined in 2008

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by Rocsteady » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:32 pm

[iup=3569161]Herbi[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569148]KB[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569144]Bigerich[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569113]TheWay[/iup] wrote:
TimeGhost wrote:Narrowly rejected, surely?

I'd have added extremely to the start of that sentence, TG.


There are 20% more NO voters than YES voters. That is not narrow.

It's like 390,000 votes, not a huge margin in a national vote.


In a nation of half a million it's a huge margin, in a nation of 500 million it's miniscule. In Scotland where the population is 5million (?) It's not huge but it's pretty comfortable.

Yeah percentage is far more relevant in this case.

Fair play to Salmond; he was a very good politician, easily the most skilled manipulator up here. I actually think he seems a decent guy as well, won't be particularly sad to see him go but I think he leaves an impressive record.

Surely sturgeon will be next FM, she'll hopefully bring her slightly more left wing policies to fruition as well.

Image
User avatar
Johnny Ryall
Member
Joined in 2008
AKA: Macraig
Location: Box Elder, MO

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by Johnny Ryall » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:33 pm

[iup=3569094]Corazon de Leon[/iup] wrote:As a person and a speaker I can't stand Alex Salmond, but I can't argue that he's been a good first minister and spokesman for Scotland. For anyone feeling a bit of schadenfreude watching his press conference (I haven't seen it yet), remember that last night was the culmination of his career and his life's work, and he ultimately failed. Whatever you think of his goals, spare a bit of sympathy.



Agree with you 100%

Some of the hate Salmond gets is unnecessary (some is necessary, but he is no dictator).

User avatar
Captain Kinopio
Member
Joined in 2008
AKA: Herbi
Location: The Observatory

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by Captain Kinopio » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:36 pm

[iup=3569167]Johnny Ryall[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569094]Corazon de Leon[/iup] wrote:As a person and a speaker I can't stand Alex Salmond, but I can't argue that he's been a good first minister and spokesman for Scotland. For anyone feeling a bit of schadenfreude watching his press conference (I haven't seen it yet), remember that last night was the culmination of his career and his life's work, and he ultimately failed. Whatever you think of his goals, spare a bit of sympathy.



Agree with you 100%

Some of the hate Salmond gets is unnecessary (some is necessary, but he is no dictator).


I know dictators have power!


WAYHOOOO!

User avatar
elite knight danbo
Member
Joined in 2012

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by elite knight danbo » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:37 pm

Alright I'm done with the self-pity. Taking a break from politics for a month or two then I'll join the greens or something.

Nothing but love for Salmond. Didn't agree on some things, but there is only love. Looking forward to seeing what Sturgeon can do.

User avatar
Memento Mori
Member
Joined in 2008
AKA: Emperor Mori

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by Memento Mori » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:39 pm

Donald Trump claiming the no vote is because of wind turbines. :simper:

User avatar
Karl
Seyana!
Seyana!
Joined in 2008
Contact:

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by Karl » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:52 pm

[iup=3569169]elite knight danbo[/iup] wrote:Taking a break from politics for a month or two then I'll join the greens or something.


A very worthy cause, by the way. I've been considering joining the Greens myself.

User avatar
Tineash
Member
Joined in 2008

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by Tineash » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:52 pm

The SNP will be fine. Nicola Sturgeon is a star, and probably as popular (but less tainted) than Salmond.

"exceptionally annoying" - TheTurnipKing
User avatar
elite knight danbo
Member
Joined in 2012

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by elite knight danbo » Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:59 pm

[iup=3569180]Karl[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569169]elite knight danbo[/iup] wrote:Taking a break from politics for a month or two then I'll join the greens or something.


A very worthy cause, by the way. I've been considering joining the Greens myself.


Hm. Might not do it now.

User avatar
captain red dog
Member
Joined in 2008
Location: Bristol, UK

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by captain red dog » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:02 pm

The worry is without Salmond, the SNP will fall back. He is a once in lifetime politician. I'm actually surprised he went, don't like the bloke but he really should stay in place until Westminster deliver on their promises. One thing you can't doubt is that he passionately loves his country and genuinely wants the best for them.

Rumblings tonight that the Westminster leaders are starting to pull back on their promises, Salmond really could have taken them to task and started an anti Westminster movement across the entire UK. At the moment we only have UKIP and Farage taking that role. :|

For the record, I think Westminster need to deliver on their promises as a priority. Park the English issue until after the election. If they don't deliver what they promised then that is a strawberry floating disgrace and Scotland should be entitled to secede from the Union.

Last edited by captain red dog on Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Karl
Seyana!
Seyana!
Joined in 2008
Contact:

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by Karl » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:03 pm

[iup=3569189]elite knight danbo[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569180]Karl[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569169]elite knight danbo[/iup] wrote:Taking a break from politics for a month or two then I'll join the greens or something.


A very worthy cause, by the way. I've been considering joining the Greens myself.


Hm. Might not do it now.


Image

User avatar
Lagamorph
Member ♥
Joined in 2010

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by Lagamorph » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:09 pm

[iup=3569193]Karl[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569189]elite knight danbo[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569180]Karl[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569169]elite knight danbo[/iup] wrote:Taking a break from politics for a month or two then I'll join the greens or something.


A very worthy cause, by the way. I've been considering joining the Greens myself.


Hm. Might not do it now.


Image

We all know you're a Lib Dem supporter Karl. Why else would your name be yellow?

Lagamorph's Underwater Photography Thread
Zellery wrote:Good post Lagamorph.
Turboman wrote:Lagomorph..... Is ..... Right
User avatar
Karl
Seyana!
Seyana!
Joined in 2008
Contact:

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by Karl » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:12 pm

I'm happy to vote for anything bar the Tories, in all practicality, but I do feel I should pick a side at some point...

User avatar
Return_of_the_STAR
Member
Joined in 2008
Location: Northampton

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by Return_of_the_STAR » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:15 pm

[iup=3569166]ianf[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569161]Herbi[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569148]KB[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569144]Bigerich[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3569113]TheWay[/iup] wrote:
TimeGhost wrote:Narrowly rejected, surely?

I'd have added extremely to the start of that sentence, TG.


There are 20% more NO voters than YES voters. That is not narrow.

It's like 390,000 votes, not a huge margin in a national vote.


In a nation of half a million it's a huge margin, in a nation of 500 million it's miniscule. In Scotland where the population is 5million (?) It's not huge but it's pretty comfortable.

Yeah percentage is far more relevant in this case.

Fair play to Salmond; he was a very good politician, easily the most skilled manipulator up here. I actually think he seems a decent guy as well, won't be particularly sad to see him go but I think he leaves an impressive record.

Surely sturgeon will be next FM, she'll hopefully bring her slightly more left wing policies to fruition as well.


Indeed 390k is a clear majority in a country the size of Scotland.

How is the first minister decided in the Scottish party? Is it just the leader of the majority party ie the SNP or is an election required?

Image

GRAPL Heavyweight Champion 2010, Runner Up 2017, tag team Champion 2011, 2015, Wrestlemania PPV Winner 2012 and your current all time highest GRAPL points scorer.
Fixture feeling champion 2013.

I'm a Paul Heyman guy!
User avatar
Tineash
Member
Joined in 2008

PostRe: [DISCUSSION] Scottish Independence - It's a No!
by Tineash » Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:16 pm

[iup=3569204]Karl[/iup] wrote:I'm happy to vote for anything bar the Tories, in all practicality, but I do feel I should pick a side at some point...


Nothing says "I'm taking a firm stand against the Tory party" like voting lib dem!

"exceptionally annoying" - TheTurnipKing

Return to “Archive”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 14 guests