Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind

Fed up talking videogames? Why?
User avatar
Fatal Exception
Member
Joined in 2008
AKA: Racist chinese lover
Location: ಠ_ಠ

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Fatal Exception » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:22 am

Drej wrote:To be fair, the inhabitants of that place are the only ones that should really have a say.

With regards to Oil, I dont see what an archipelago close to Argentina has anything to do with the UK. The Oil should be managed by the country that is most near.


According to idiots, because there's only 3000 inhabitants they don't get to self determine.... That and they all want to be British. So because it's a British territory the oil is British too.

The above post, unless specifically stated to the contrary, should not be taken seriously. If the above post has offended you in any way, please fill in this form and return it to your nearest moderator.
Image
User avatar
Drej
Member
Joined in 2008
Contact:

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Drej » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:08 am

Fatal Exception wrote:
Drej wrote:To be fair, the inhabitants of that place are the only ones that should really have a say.

With regards to Oil, I dont see what an archipelago close to Argentina has anything to do with the UK. The Oil should be managed by the country that is most near.


According to idiots, because there's only 3000 inhabitants they don't get to self determine.... That and they all want to be British. So because it's a British territory the oil is British too.


I dont really see how a territory close to south america can be considered british. I dont really agree with being a british colony, Thankfully Malta chose to terminate its agreement with the British empire (after pushing for integration... :?: ) had we achieved integration, I wonder if I would have considered myself to be Birtish? I dont think so...

Image
User avatar
Drej
Member
Joined in 2008
Contact:

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Drej » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:08 am

Lagamorph wrote:
Drej wrote:To be fair, the inhabitants of that place are the only ones that should really have a say.

With regards to Oil, I dont see what an archipelago close to Argentina has anything to do with the UK. The Oil should be managed by the country that is most near.

That would be Britain then since the Falklands are part of us and the oil is far closer to the Falklands than Argentina.


Yes but not to Britain...

Image
User avatar
massimo
Member
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by massimo » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:29 am

Drej wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Drej wrote:To be fair, the inhabitants of that place are the only ones that should really have a say.

With regards to Oil, I dont see what an archipelago close to Argentina has anything to do with the UK. The Oil should be managed by the country that is most near.

That would be Britain then since the Falklands are part of us and the oil is far closer to the Falklands than Argentina.


Yes but not to Britain...

I haven't got much time right now, so I'll just leave this. :fp:

User avatar
mcjihge2
Member
Joined in 2008

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by mcjihge2 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:29 am

karl_fletcher wrote:http://m.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/23/sean-penn-falklands-malvinas-diplomacy-interrupted?cat=commentisfree&type=article


I think that the remarks referring to the Falkland War as a "diversion" are extremely distasteful.

Xbox Live: GCE
User avatar
Moggy
"Special"
Joined in 2008
AKA: Moggy

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Moggy » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:31 am

Drej, before embarrassing yourself further, go and read up on the history of the Falkland Islands.

Argentina have absolutely no claim and Sean Penn is an idiot.

User avatar
Drej
Member
Joined in 2008
Contact:

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Drej » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:48 am

Moggy wrote:Drej, before embarrassing yourself further, go and read up on the history of the Falkland Islands.

Argentina have absolutely no claim and Sean Penn is an idiot.


I am certainly not an expert in the matter, tell me what difference is there between the falkland islands and other colonies?

Image
User avatar
Lagamorph
Member ♥
Joined in 2010

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Lagamorph » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:50 am

Drej wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Drej wrote:To be fair, the inhabitants of that place are the only ones that should really have a say.

With regards to Oil, I dont see what an archipelago close to Argentina has anything to do with the UK. The Oil should be managed by the country that is most near.

That would be Britain then since the Falklands are part of us and the oil is far closer to the Falklands than Argentina.


Yes but not to Britain...

:fp: :fp:

Drej is Sean Penn it seems.

Lagamorph's Underwater Photography Thread
Zellery wrote:Good post Lagamorph.
Turboman wrote:Lagomorph..... Is ..... Right
User avatar
Drej
Member
Joined in 2008
Contact:

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Drej » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:53 am

Lagamorph wrote:
Drej wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Drej wrote:To be fair, the inhabitants of that place are the only ones that should really have a say.

With regards to Oil, I dont see what an archipelago close to Argentina has anything to do with the UK. The Oil should be managed by the country that is most near.

That would be Britain then since the Falklands are part of us and the oil is far closer to the Falklands than Argentina.


Yes but not to Britain...

:fp: :fp:

Drej is Sean Penn it seems.


That would be great :mrgreen: but Im not :)

Image

Geographically I "think" it is closer to Argentina

Image
User avatar
Lagamorph
Member ♥
Joined in 2010

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Lagamorph » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:55 am

Drej, you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that Proximity != Ownership.

Argentina being closer doesn't have a thing to do with it.

Lagamorph's Underwater Photography Thread
Zellery wrote:Good post Lagamorph.
Turboman wrote:Lagomorph..... Is ..... Right
User avatar
abcd
Emeritus
Joined in 2008
AKA: abcd

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by abcd » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:57 am

I think we're going round in circles here...

Image
User avatar
Lagamorph
Member ♥
Joined in 2010

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Lagamorph » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:59 am

So what is it?

Lagamorph's Underwater Photography Thread
Zellery wrote:Good post Lagamorph.
Turboman wrote:Lagomorph..... Is ..... Right
User avatar
Drej
Member
Joined in 2008
Contact:

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Drej » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:00 am

Lagamorph wrote:Drej, you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that Proximity != Ownership.

Argentina being closer doesn't have a thing to do with it.


Then explain to me how an archipelago miles away and separated by an Ocean can be considered british just because they found it first? This is the concept I am not grasping.

Image
User avatar
Lagamorph
Member ♥
Joined in 2010

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Lagamorph » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:07 am

Drej wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Drej, you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that Proximity != Ownership.

Argentina being closer doesn't have a thing to do with it.


Then explain to me how an archipelago miles away and separated by an Ocean can be considered british just because they found it first? This is the concept I am not grasping.

You mean besides the people living there who are strongly against becoming part of Argentina and have expressed an overwhelming desire to remain British?

Can you explain to me how the Falklands can be considered to be Argentinian just because they happen to be closer? Should Britain be able to claim Ireland because we're bigger and closer? Should Russia be able to reclaim every ex-Soviet union territory?

As you've said Drej, you aren't an expert on the matter. And as we've said, there's a lot of history you need to read and understand first. Go and read some of that history and see if you still feel the same way.

Lagamorph's Underwater Photography Thread
Zellery wrote:Good post Lagamorph.
Turboman wrote:Lagomorph..... Is ..... Right
User avatar
Moggy
"Special"
Joined in 2008
AKA: Moggy

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Moggy » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:17 am

Drej wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Drej, you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that Proximity != Ownership.

Argentina being closer doesn't have a thing to do with it.


Then explain to me how an archipelago miles away and separated by an Ocean can be considered british just because they found it first? This is the concept I am not grasping.


There are a lot of differences between the Falklands and other colonies. Firstly (and most importantly) the population does not want to be part of Argentina or have anything to do with Argentina. Secondly, the islands were uninhabited when Britain took possession, there are no historical “owners” of the territory. Thirdly, Argentina is itself a colony (of Spain), the indigenous population have either been killed or bred out. It is a bit rich for a colony to scream and cry about colonialism. Fourthly, the Falklands are around 300 miles away from Argentina.

This all adds up to mean that they have no claim based on history (Argentina did not exist when Britain claimed the islands), no claim based on location (300 miles is a long long way out of Argentinian territorial waters) and no claim based upon a deposed indigenous population (the Falklands were uninhabited, Argentina/Spain murdered all other natives in the region).

User avatar
Drej
Member
Joined in 2008
Contact:

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Drej » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:29 am

Lagamorph wrote:
Drej wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Drej, you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that Proximity != Ownership.

Argentina being closer doesn't have a thing to do with it.


Then explain to me how an archipelago miles away and separated by an Ocean can be considered british just because they found it first? This is the concept I am not grasping.

You mean besides the people living there who are strongly against becoming part of Argentina and have expressed an overwhelming desire to remain British?

Can you explain to me how the Falklands can be considered to be Argentinian just because they happen to be closer? Should Britain be able to claim Ireland because we're bigger and closer? Should Russia be able to reclaim every ex-Soviet union territory?

As you've said Drej, you aren't an expert on the matter. And as we've said, there's a lot of history you need to read and understand first. Go and read some of that history and see if you still feel the same way.

The point I am trying to make is that, claiming a country just because it is near to me sounds as stupid as claiming a country that is far... I dont see Argentina as the good guys, but I cannot see England as the good guys either... The fact that there is uncertainty as to who actually discovered the islands first and the fact that different nations claimed them during their history is of course confusing.

I am reading and have read about the falklands in the past, but I cannot see how a territory so far away can be considered British territory. The fact that most of the people feel british, is because they are immigrants no?

Anyways seems like this arument is a bit too sensitive for you lot, and I will stop here with my "ignorance" although I think some of you guys are actually underestimating the geographical factor.

I will limit myself to reading :)

Image
User avatar
Moggy
"Special"
Joined in 2008
AKA: Moggy

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Moggy » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:33 am

Drej wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Drej wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Drej, you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that Proximity != Ownership.

Argentina being closer doesn't have a thing to do with it.


Then explain to me how an archipelago miles away and separated by an Ocean can be considered british just because they found it first? This is the concept I am not grasping.

You mean besides the people living there who are strongly against becoming part of Argentina and have expressed an overwhelming desire to remain British?

Can you explain to me how the Falklands can be considered to be Argentinian just because they happen to be closer? Should Britain be able to claim Ireland because we're bigger and closer? Should Russia be able to reclaim every ex-Soviet union territory?

As you've said Drej, you aren't an expert on the matter. And as we've said, there's a lot of history you need to read and understand first. Go and read some of that history and see if you still feel the same way.

The point I am trying to make is that, claiming a country just because it is near to me sounds as stupid as claiming a country that is far... I dont see Argentina as the good guys, but I cannot see England as the good guys either... The fact that there is uncertainty as to who actually discovered the islands first and the fact that different nations claimed them during their history is of course confusing.

I am reading and have read about the falklands in the past, but I cannot see how a territory so far away can be considered British territory. The fact that most of the people feel british, is because they are immigrants no?

Anyways seems like this arument is a bit too sensitive for you lot, and I will stop here with my "ignorance" although I think some of you guys are actually underestimating the geographical factor.

I will limit myself to reading :)


You are correct that the population of the Falklands is made up of immigrants, but they have been there for generations. In the same way that the population of Argentina, Brazil, America, Canada, Australia etc etc is mostly made up of immigrants (although there are remnants of the indigenous populations).

Actually thinking about it, everywhere (other than a small area of Africa) is made up of human immigrants if you go back far enough. ;)

User avatar
Drej
Member
Joined in 2008
Contact:

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Drej » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:34 am

Moggy wrote:
Drej wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Drej, you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that Proximity != Ownership.

Argentina being closer doesn't have a thing to do with it.


Then explain to me how an archipelago miles away and separated by an Ocean can be considered british just because they found it first? This is the concept I am not grasping.


There are a lot of differences between the Falklands and other colonies. Firstly (and most importantly) the population does not want to be part of Argentina or have anything to do with Argentina. Secondly, the islands were uninhabited when Britain took possession, there are no historical “owners” of the territory. Thirdly, Argentina is itself a colony (of Spain), the indigenous population have either been killed or bred out. It is a bit rich for a colony to scream and cry about colonialism. Fourthly, the Falklands are around 300 miles away from Argentina.

This all adds up to mean that they have no claim based on history (Argentina did not exist when Britain claimed the islands), no claim based on location (300 miles is a long long way out of Argentinian territorial waters) and no claim based upon a deposed indigenous population (the Falklands were uninhabited, Argentina/Spain murdered all other natives in the region).


Ok my last post.

It is rich for a colony to scream and cry about colonialism, but it is not rich for a country that colonised countries to scream and cry about another country wanting to colonise a close by archipelago?

So in brief, you are telling me that Britain's claim over the island is "We found it first, its ours" kind of thing...

Image
User avatar
Alvin Flummux
Member
Joined in 2008
Contact:

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Alvin Flummux » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:43 am

Historically it's ours. Culturally it's ours. The inhabitants want to remain ours. There was never an indigenous Argentine population to suggest that it couldn't be ours.

User avatar
Drej
Member
Joined in 2008
Contact:

PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Drej » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:43 am

Moggy wrote:
Drej wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Drej wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:Drej, you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that Proximity != Ownership.

Argentina being closer doesn't have a thing to do with it.


Then explain to me how an archipelago miles away and separated by an Ocean can be considered british just because they found it first? This is the concept I am not grasping.

You mean besides the people living there who are strongly against becoming part of Argentina and have expressed an overwhelming desire to remain British?

Can you explain to me how the Falklands can be considered to be Argentinian just because they happen to be closer? Should Britain be able to claim Ireland because we're bigger and closer? Should Russia be able to reclaim every ex-Soviet union territory?

As you've said Drej, you aren't an expert on the matter. And as we've said, there's a lot of history you need to read and understand first. Go and read some of that history and see if you still feel the same way.

The point I am trying to make is that, claiming a country just because it is near to me sounds as stupid as claiming a country that is far... I dont see Argentina as the good guys, but I cannot see England as the good guys either... The fact that there is uncertainty as to who actually discovered the islands first and the fact that different nations claimed them during their history is of course confusing.

I am reading and have read about the falklands in the past, but I cannot see how a territory so far away can be considered British territory. The fact that most of the people feel british, is because they are immigrants no?

Anyways seems like this arument is a bit too sensitive for you lot, and I will stop here with my "ignorance" although I think some of you guys are actually underestimating the geographical factor.

I will limit myself to reading :)


You are correct that the population of the Falklands is made up of immigrants, but they have been there for generations. In the same way that the population of Argentina, Brazil, America, Canada, Australia etc etc is mostly made up of immigrants (although there are remnants of the indigenous populations).

Actually thinking about it, everywhere (other than a small area of Africa) is made up of human immigrants if you go back far enough. ;)


Well to be fair, the fact the Europeans wanted all the world to be theirs for the taking and tried to take most countries by force is really not an excuse and that is why countries fought for independence.

I can see how discovering a new land in the past would have meant claiming it as yours, but I cannot see how most of you will agree that Britain has a right to claim a land so far away as theirs now, considering that from what Ive read, the place saw a rise in inhabitants only in the late 1800s (correct me if Im wrong)

Image

Return to “Stuff”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: <]:^D, Garth, Grumpy David, Lex-Man, mcjihge2, Vermilion and 405 guests