Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind

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PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Captain Kinopio » Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:54 pm

SimonM_89 wrote:Just posting here to say this: Sean Bean>>Sean Penn.


Sean Bean is insulted that you felt that needed posting.

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by SEP » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:02 pm

Lagamorph wrote:And all footballers are stereotypically thick. Otherwise they'd have real jobs that actually contributed something to society.


Entertainment is just as valid a contribution to society as anything else.

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by Lagamorph » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:04 pm

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:And all footballers are stereotypically thick. Otherwise they'd have real jobs that actually contributed something to society.


Entertainment is just as valid a contribution to society as anything else.

On that kind of pay they're probably draining more than they're contributing with the way ticket prices have to go up to compensate, leaving supporters with less money to spend elsewhere and bolster the economy.

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PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by jamcc » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:04 pm

Lagamorph wrote:
jamcc wrote:Oh dear Laga. :fp:

I don't know what's more distressing; the fact that you've misspelt the word or the fact that you think footballers are overpaid.

Or the fact that you think Messi is a stereotypically thick footballer.

Meh, a typo. Fixed it now.

And all footballers are stereotypically thick. Otherwise they'd have real jobs that actually contributed something to society.


Oh dear, you're being serious?

Think about how many people love football and watch it on an.almost daily basis. Do you still think they contribute nothing to society?

Come on, don't let your personal dislike of football cloud your judgement here.

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PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by SEP » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:07 pm

Lagamorph wrote:
Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:And all footballers are stereotypically thick. Otherwise they'd have real jobs that actually contributed something to society.


Entertainment is just as valid a contribution to society as anything else.

On that kind of pay they're probably draining more than they're contributing with the way ticket prices have to go up to compensate, leaving supporters with less money to spend elsewhere and bolster the economy.


And yet the supporters continue to pay. That's how demand works. If it was too much, they wouldn't pay.

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PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Cuttooth » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:10 pm

You feel the same way about actors and musicians I hope.

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by SEP » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:11 pm

Cuttooth wrote:You feel the same way about actors and musicians I hope.


No, just things he doesn't personally enjoy.

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by Lagamorph » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:19 pm

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:You feel the same way about actors and musicians I hope.


No, just things he doesn't personally enjoy.

I do feel the same way about actors and musicians actually. Massively overpaid and it's the consumer that suffers to fund it.

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by SEP » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:19 pm

Lagamorph wrote:
Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:You feel the same way about actors and musicians I hope.


No, just things he doesn't personally enjoy.

I do feel the same way about actors and musicians actually.


Then you're an idiot with no clue how markets or consumers work.

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by Alvin Flummux » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:20 pm

Lagamorph wrote:Back on topic, came across this great quote whilst browsing around,
Over at the Telegraph, Tim Stanley, a professor of United States history at Oxford (he is working on a biography of Pat Buchanan), had come up with a novel riposte: Sean Penn, he said, should give up the keys to his Malibu estate, which, he argued, actually belongs to Mexico. “America’s claim over Malibu is tenuous and rooted in patriarchy,” he wrote, mimicking Penn’s tone. “Sean Penn’s house is a mocking reminder of that brute chauvinism, with its high white walls and spacious interiors. Its swimming pool is an insult to the honor of the Mexican people

:lol:


:lol: gooseberry fool, that's really good!

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PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Lagamorph » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:23 pm

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Cuttooth wrote:You feel the same way about actors and musicians I hope.


No, just things he doesn't personally enjoy.

I do feel the same way about actors and musicians actually.


Then you're an idiot with no clue how markets or consumers work.

I just don't like being ripped off so that some moron can go around spouting nonsense like Sean Penn.

I never understand how people can complain about the pay of people like MP's, yet say nothing about footballers, actors and musicians.

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PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by SEP » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:25 pm

Lagamorph wrote:I never understand how people can complain about the pay of people like MP's, yet say nothing about footballers, actors and musicians.


With MPs, we don't have a choice but to pay. With footballers, actors and musicians, we do.

I never understand people who resent others who have more money than them.

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by Lagamorph » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:34 pm

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:I never understand how people can complain about the pay of people like MP's, yet say nothing about footballers, actors and musicians.


With MPs, we don't have a choice but to pay. With footballers, actors and musicians, we do.

I never understand people who resent others who have more money than them.

With footballers, I'd have to go out of my way to make sure I don't contribute towards them. It isn't just ticket sales that fund them after all. If I buy a product from a company that sponsors a football team, chances are that product is more expensive as a result of that sponsorship. It'd be just as hard to avoid contributing towards a footballers pay as it would to an MP's pay.

Besides, the average MP earns what, £62,000 a year? Premiership footballers make than in barely 2 weeks, less than a week in some cases.


I don't resent someone just because they have more money than me. My boss has more money than me, but I don't resent him for it. At least he has to work more than 4 or 5 hours a week for his money and doesn't steal that little bit more from football supporters every year by putting up ticket prices.

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by Lex-Man » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:38 pm

Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:I never understand how people can complain about the pay of people like MP's, yet say nothing about footballers, actors and musicians.


With MPs, we don't have a choice but to pay. With footballers, actors and musicians, we do.

I never understand people who resent others who have more money than them.


People complain about footballers pay all the time. I can see where they are coming from but I would like to know what kind of method should be used to determine what peoples value to society is and to do this would take a major change to the whole of society.

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by Parksey » Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:57 pm

Am I right in thinking that MPs count as public sector workers, whereas footballers, actors and musicians are all the private sector? That's why it is also impossible to compare the wage of a nurse to that of a footballer. And that is before you take into account loads of other factors (maybe 1% of the population could ever be a world class professional football, but most could theorectically become a nurse... or that the vast amounts of money that goes into football, effectively, means that they can pay people so much).

Also, you do realise that Wayne Rooney, on £250k a week will be in the highest tax bracket and, as a result, pay more tax a year that pretty much everyone here put together? Yet that wage is a drain on the economy, apparently.

It's such an easy, tired argument that footballers get paid too much. It's all relative to the money circling around the industry as a whole. Football clubs are billion pound organisations, and so pay people in the hundreds of thousands per week. You could argue that clubs shouldn't be able to get into the red within the game, but the vast majority of the clubs pay their "staff" that much, because they can afford to, and the money going in sustains them.

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PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by jamcc » Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:38 am

Lagamorph wrote:
Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:I never understand how people can complain about the pay of people like MP's, yet say nothing about footballers, actors and musicians.


With MPs, we don't have a choice but to pay. With footballers, actors and musicians, we do.

I never understand people who resent others who have more money than them.

With footballers, I'd have to go out of my way to make sure I don't contribute towards them. It isn't just ticket sales that fund them after all. If I buy a product from a company that sponsors a football team, chances are that product is more expensive as a result of that sponsorship. It'd be just as hard to avoid contributing towards a footballers pay as it would to an MP's pay.

Besides, the average MP earns what, £62,000 a year? Premiership footballers make than in barely 2 weeks, less than a week in some cases.


I don't resent someone just because they have more money than me. My boss has more money than me, but I don't resent him for it. At least he has to work more than 4 or 5 hours a week for his money and doesn't steal that little bit more from football supporters every year by putting up ticket prices.


You really think top level footballers work for 4 to 5 hours per week?

Premier League players often play 2 games in a week. That's 3 and a half hours. Are you saying their training, fitness, physio, etc can all be done in up to an hour and a half per week?

Also, with your reference to product price inflation that is true of many celebrities and the price increase is probably proportionately tiny.

Also, what Parksey said.

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by Lex-Man » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:23 am

jamcc wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:
Somebody Else's Problem wrote:
Lagamorph wrote:I never understand how people can complain about the pay of people like MP's, yet say nothing about footballers, actors and musicians.


With MPs, we don't have a choice but to pay. With footballers, actors and musicians, we do.

I never understand people who resent others who have more money than them.

With footballers, I'd have to go out of my way to make sure I don't contribute towards them. It isn't just ticket sales that fund them after all. If I buy a product from a company that sponsors a football team, chances are that product is more expensive as a result of that sponsorship. It'd be just as hard to avoid contributing towards a footballers pay as it would to an MP's pay.

Besides, the average MP earns what, £62,000 a year? Premiership footballers make than in barely 2 weeks, less than a week in some cases.


I don't resent someone just because they have more money than me. My boss has more money than me, but I don't resent him for it. At least he has to work more than 4 or 5 hours a week for his money and doesn't steal that little bit more from football supporters every year by putting up ticket prices.


You really think top level footballers work for 4 to 5 hours per week?

Premier League players often play 2 games in a week. That's 3 and a half hours. Are you saying their training, fitness, physio, etc can all be done in up to an hour and a half per week?

Also, with your reference to product price inflation that is true of many celebrities and the price increase is probably proportionately tiny.

Also, what Parksey said.


The average pro footballer will probably do around 3 - 4 hours training a day (although not on games days) and then they might have to do a couple of hours press work a week, so I guess they will work around 25/27 hours a week. One of the top footballers will probably do a lot more press type stuff as well as photo shoots for various bits and bobs so might work as much as 35 hours a week.

EDIT: you've also got to remember that playing football puts a lot of other constraints on their time they have to be available for games, they can't eat what they want etc.

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PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Preezy » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:36 am

Footballers are private employees of private companies, they should be able to be paid whatever the hell their employers deem appropriate.

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PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Snowcannon » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:38 am

Preezy wrote:Footballers are private employees of private companies, they should be able to be paid whatever the hell their employers deem appropriate.


Even £0.01?

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PostRe: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
by Jenko » Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:47 am

Lucien wrote:I never thought I'd see so many people defending what footballers are paid. :fp:


It's a business. People will pay the best players they can in order to win more games which in turn will make them more money. The mor money they earn the better players they can afford. Which means they make more money. Which means they can buy better players.

I think you can see where that would lead.

I doubt that anybody here thinks it is morally right for a footballer to be payed more than a soldier for instance. But that's just how the world works.


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