Re: Sean Penn appears to have lost his mind
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:22 am
For some reason I've always though Malibu was in Florida.
gaminglegend wrote:Mexico aren't going to absorb those states the explanation above about the explosion of the population in those areas is akin to saying "there's a lot of Scottish people living past the border in England... soon they will overtake England"
Alvin Flummux wrote:gaminglegend wrote:Mexico aren't going to absorb those states the explanation above about the explosion of the population in those areas is akin to saying "there's a lot of Scottish people living past the border in England... soon they will overtake England"
Say you have two countries next to one another, and one conquers significant parts of the others' territory, but over the next couple of hundred years, due to much internal strife, citizens of the second country flood the border regions of the wealthier first (former territories of the second). Eventually, after around 250 years or so, the migration and such gets to the point where the aforementioned border provinces of the first nation are effectively territories of the second in all but name. Provided the second country sorts out its crippling internal conflicts and its economy improves to the extent that it can be improved in stable conditions (allowing for a much more confident, assertive role on the world stage)... then the chances of there being a confrontation over territories once lost in an unprovoked war, later reclaimed in all but name, are high.
But yeah whatever, it's exactly like the English-Scottish border, somehow.
Igor wrote:Would US immigration policy ever actually let this happen?
Moggy wrote:All that assumes that the majority of the “ethnic” Mexican population in the Southern US states not only desire to become part of Mexico again but that their children, grandchildren or great (etc) grandchildren will do as well. As time goes on (because Mexico is not getting those states any time soon) the ethnic Mexican population is going to become more Americanised and is likely to disperse more across the United States.
Alvin Flummux wrote:Good post, I enjoyed reading that.
When the border states become so saturated with migrants that they are Mexican in all but name, do you not think that the cultural influence might be so overwhelming that, beyond just electing pro-Mexican officials, perhaps at least elements of the Mexican political system itself might bleed into these states? It would largely be a by-product of ongoing demographic trends, the long-term movements of people, with migrants who feel that they are Mexican despite living in another country across the border gradually importing their own political and other societal structures as the density of the migrant population increases.
Could that happen? It would greatly strengthen the arguments of Mexican territorial reclamation groups, which are sure to grow larger and more vocal over the course of the century.
All that said though, no maps will have a chance of being re-drawn until Mexico's internal struggles are put to bed. How that can happen without the USA and Mexico legalising and regulating at least some of those presently-illegal drugs, though, I just don't know.
Alvin Flummux wrote:Moggy wrote:All that assumes that the majority of the “ethnic” Mexican population in the Southern US states not only desire to become part of Mexico again but that their children, grandchildren or great (etc) grandchildren will do as well. As time goes on (because Mexico is not getting those states any time soon) the ethnic Mexican population is going to become more Americanised and is likely to disperse more across the United States.
The Mexican population is already dispersing across the country; even up in Ohio, construction companies looking to keep costs low will hire teams of Mexican builders. You can also commonly find Mexicans working in stores and fast-food joints. Enterprising ones will open restaurants (and damn good restaurants they are too). They're already all over the place.
But even as those migrants head into the continental interior, there are just as many who are much more inclined to dwell within the border states (legally or otherwise), because they don't want to stray far from the homeland, and more often because they want to be as close to their families and friends back home as they can.
A lot of Mexicans will be Americanised, and a lot may not want to hold onto their cultural identity, that's inevitable. Where their populations are at their most dense (i.e. the border states), however, Mexico is going to increasingly dominate the cultural landscape, and it will be in those areas where you will find Mexican-Americans with close attachments to the motherland, whose allegiances will err on the side of the Sombrero rather than the Stetson.
Lagamorph wrote:Wow.
It's like he genuinely believes that Argentina are the victims. Yeah there were diplomatic negotiations at one point...then they strawberry floating invaded!
And yeah, if we discover oil then of course we're going to take steps to protect it, nothing subtle or underhanded about it. America does exactly the same thing.
Drej wrote:To be fair, the inhabitants of that place are the only ones that should really have a say.
With regards to Oil, I dont see what an archipelago close to Argentina has anything to do with the UK. The Oil should be managed by the country that is most near.