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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 9 out now
by Poser » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:39 am

[iup=3620008]Rog[/iup] wrote:
Maybe it was all later in the day, would definitely place Adnan and Jay together. Could also explain the gap were both of them seemed to be hiding something. Neither want to point to when it actually happened as it would implicate Adnan for sure and Jay wouldn't have gotten the deal if he were more involved. I don't get why Adnan has never ranted about Jay either. At no point does he seem to have ever had a serious problem with the guy who would be lying if he were innocent. If Adnan really wanted justice he would have made more of a fuss about Jay knowing where the car was. In that situation if Adnan knows he didn't do it then it would have been Jay. Not only has the guy lied to frame you but it was him that killed your friend, get mad.


This to me seems the most plausible explanation right now. Jay has lied to cover up the fact that he was more involved with the killing - it really is the only explanation for the vagaries in his story/timeline.

And, as you said, it seems as if Adnan would be gunning for Jay more if it was all a total fabrication. Unless, of course, that's yet to come.

I find myself wanting to believe he's innocent, and episode 9 certainly helped that, but there are still serious doubts.

Plus, back to the original motive/scenario, etc, I really can't see why he would enlist the help of someone so strawberry floating dodgy, who he couldn't trust totally. You're already taking a huge risk, why

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by Monkey Man » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:50 pm

There will be a Season Two of Serial!

Last week, we asked people who’ve been listening to Serial to chip in if they wanted a second season. This American Life funded the bulk of Season One, but to make Serial ongoing, it needs to pay for itself. Today, we have good news: between the money you donated and sponsorship, we’ll be able to make a second season of Serial. We don’t know yet what the story will be or exactly when we’ll be airing Season Two, but we’ll be working on it as soon as this season ends.

Thanks so much to everyone who gave.

http://serialpodcast.org/

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by Monkey Man » Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:57 pm

An update regarding the case -

Case Highlighted in 'Serial' Podcast Moves Through Appeal

A 15-year-old murder case that landed a popular teenager from Baltimore County behind bars for life is being revived in a podcast that offers more questions than answers about the crime and its fallout.

Ultimately, a Maryland appeals court will decide the man's fate.

Millions of listeners are anxiously awaiting the next installment of Serial, a podcast from the creators of "This American Life" that tells the story of Adnan Syed, a Woodlawn High School student who was found guilty in 2000 of murdering his ex-girlfriend Hae Min Lee. The podcast is the brainchild of longtime radio producer and former Baltimore Sun reporter Sarah Koenig, who spent more than a year digging into Syed's case and reporting her findings in almost real-time in hour-long segments released online every Thursday (with the exception of Thanksgiving).

Nine episodes in, the podcast has attracted more than 1.5 million listeners per episode worldwide and turned Syed into something of a household name, inspiring a dedicated fan base, re-cap blogs and even spin-off podcasts, not to mention heated debates around countless water coolers and dinner tables about Syed's guilt or innocence.

But although the buzz surrounding the case is new, Syed has been trying to prove his innocence for years ? so long, in fact, that his case is now in its final stages of appeal. A hearing scheduled for January represents what Syed's lawyer, C. Justin Brown, said is the man's "last best chance" at freedom.

"I joke that when I was hired to do Adnan's appeal I was a free-wheeling single man and now I'm married with two kids. It's been a lengthy process," said Brown, who has represented Syed for more than five years. "There are three parts to the legal process: a trial, then an appeal, then you have post-conviction relief. This is the last step."

Syed, now 34, was convicted of first-degree murder, robbery and false imprisonment in 2000 and sentenced to life in prison. Prosecutors said Syed strangled Lee after becoming inconsolably jealous when the two broke up and she began dating someone else.

The primary points Brown makes in his appeal are some of the same reasons Koenig told listeners in her podcast's first episode that she decided to investigate the case: there were no eye-witnesses tying Syed to the crime, and Syed's attorney, Cristina Gutierrez, failed to interview a witness who said she was with Syed at the time Lee was killed. Gutierrez, a high-profile Baltimore-area criminal defense attorney, was disbarred in 2001 when client funds went missing. She died in 2004 of a heart attack.

Brown in his appeal says Gutierrez knew about Asia McClain, a classmate of Syed's who saw him in the library around the time prosecutors say Lee was killed. But Brown says the attorney failed to pursue her alibi during trial.

"The entire trial depended on whether Syed could prove where he was at the time of the murder," Brown wrote. "Meanwhile, a credible witness ? an honors student who had no obvious bias in favor of Syed ? had come forward unsolicited with a recollection that she had been with Syed around the time of the murder ... Yet the lawyer did absolutely nothing."

Brown also wrote that Gutierrez erred when she did not seek a plea deal for Syed, who asked her several times whether a plea option was available.

The Maryland Court of Special Appeals asked prosecutors to respond to the post-conviction appeal in September to see if they too believed Syed had ineffective counsel in a move Brown said is highly unusual. Ultimately, as millions of listeners try and parse the evidence for themselves, what happens next is up to the judges.

"It's an unusual phenomenon," Brown said. "The Court of Special Appeals has shown some interest in the case and asked the state to respond to our application, which is more than they usually do in this procedural posture. But I truly think the appellate courts make their decisions based on the merits of the case, and not the popularity of a podcast."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/case ... l-27261267

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 7 out now
by captain red dog » Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:39 pm

Just got into this, binged on the first 6 episodes at work and on my commute. At present it definitely seems a very dodgy conviction, but I have to temper that against a feeling that we aren't getting the full story either.

[iup=3610651]Kevin McCallister[/iup] wrote:That car park is nowhere near as secluded as it has been made out to be. Would be pretty risky to strangle someone and move their body into the boot there.


I actually found it to be more secluded that I imagined! Having said that, it would have been risky as you say, although not against the realms of possibility. I used to work on a car park (trolley boy) and to be honest I didn't really pay much interest to my surroundings. I went to ASDA tonight and I'm pretty much on autopilot from the car to the store. It isn't impossible to move a body unseen, but highly unlikely. That's my issue so far, the prosecution case isn't impossible, but I find it highly unlikely.

The guy who found the body seems an interesting loose end, given his record and his explanation on finding the body, he definitely seems worth investigating (did he have an alibi?). But then the problem with that is that it doesn't match at all with Jay's involvement.

EDIT: I also wonder how much the jury were shown. For example, you see above that from the description in the podcast and on the maps that myself and Kevin had wildly different impressions of the "crime scene". I'd hope the jury were actually taken there, it's so easy to get the wrong impression of the scene from just descriptions.

Also, how is it alledged Adnan got to the Best Buy? Wasn't it proven that he didn't go with the victim, and Jay had his car?

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 10 out now
by Monkey Man » Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:54 pm

Episode 10 out now -

Episode 10 - The Best Defense is a Good Defense (54 mins), 4th December
Adnan’s trial lawyer was M. Cristina Gutierrez, a renowned defense attorney in Maryland – tough and savvy and smart. Other lawyers said she was exactly the kind of person you’d want defending you on a first-degree murder charge. But Adnan was convicted, and a year later, Gutierrez was disbarred. What happened?

http://serialpodcast.org/season-one/10/ ... od-defense

Episode 11 - Rumors, 11th December

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 10 out now
by captain red dog » Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:28 pm

Just listened to episode 10. Can't help but feel regardless of whether I think Adnan is guilty, this case really needs a retrial. Just so much seems to be unsafe regarding the conviction. Looking at the evidence we know, only Jay can definitely be placed at the scene of the crime and the burial.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 10 out now
by Monkey Man » Sat Dec 06, 2014 3:33 am

Episode 10 -

Episode 10 was a great advert for Baltimore :lol: Difficult to judge how bad the defense attorney was from snippets but it didn't sound good. Might be vital for the appeal.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 10 out now
by Memento Mori » Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:00 am

Apparently people on Reddit have discovered that there were payphones at Best Buy back in the day. Interesting to see if that comes up on the podcast.

In more Serial news it started airing on Radio 4 Extra daily at 9PM from Sunday. Presumably for old people who don't have the internet.



1x10- As with the most recent eps there doesn't feel like there's been much development or new information in the case. It's slowed way down since she talked to Jay.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 10 out now
by Monkey Man » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:29 am

The Guardians 82nd & 83rd article on Serial -

Interview with Adnan's family - http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio ... -interview
Serial: the key locations in the murder mystery podcast – in pictures - http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio ... n-pictures

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 10 out now
by abcd » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:49 am

[iup=3632985]TV Dinner[/iup] wrote:Apparently people on Reddit have discovered that there were payphones at Best Buy back in the day. Interesting to see if that comes up on the podcast.

In more Serial news it started airing on Radio 4 Extra daily at 9PM from Sunday. Presumably for old people who don't have the internet.



1x10- As with the most recent eps there doesn't feel like there's been much development or new information in the case. It's slowed way down since she talked to Jay.



Hopefully those old people without the internet have upgraded to a DAB radio.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 10 out now
by Memento Mori » Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:00 pm

[iup=3633155]Now that's what I call Xmas 2014[/iup] wrote:
[iup=3632985]TV Dinner[/iup] wrote:Apparently people on Reddit have discovered that there were payphones at Best Buy back in the day. Interesting to see if that comes up on the podcast.

In more Serial news it started airing on Radio 4 Extra daily at 9PM from Sunday. Presumably for old people who don't have the internet.



1x10- As with the most recent eps there doesn't feel like there's been much development or new information in the case. It's slowed way down since she talked to Jay.



Hopefully those old people without the internet have upgraded to a DAB radio.


I thought they'd shut off analogue radio by now but I've doublechecked and they haven't because only 35% of people have one. People need to stop living in the past.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 10 out now
by Memento Mori » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:26 am

Sarah Koenig was on Colbert last night.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 11 out now
by Monkey Man » Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:23 pm

Episode 11 - Rumors (41mins), 11th December
Almost everyone describes the 17-year-old Adnan the same way: good kid, helpful at the mosque, respectful to his elders. But a couple of months ago, Sarah started getting phone calls from people who knew Adnan back then, and told her stories of a different kind of boy.

http://serialpodcast.org/season-one/11/rumors

Episode 12 - No title for next week, it's the last episode, 18th December

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 11 out now
by Rog » Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:39 pm

Next week is scheduled to be the last as the BBC broadcast is meant to catch up (they're doing it daily) as the show finishes.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 11 out now
by Monkey Man » Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:15 pm

[iup=3633878]Kevin McCallister[/iup] wrote:Next week is scheduled to be the last as the BBC broadcast is meant to catch up (they're doing it daily) as the show finishes.

Yep, Sarah just said it was the last on The Colbert Report.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 11 out now
by abcd » Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:58 pm

Yep, next week is last one.

She said it on the episode 11.

After listening to episode 11...

I get the sense there will be a plot twist. I want to believe Adnan is innocent, but after the topics discussed in episode 11, I can't see who else it could have been.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 11 out now
by Rog » Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:07 pm

Glad she addressed what I was saying about Adnan not protesting enough. I think it will end with hersaying she thinks Adnan did it with Jay's help. I seriously think this is the only way to end. Personally I am 100% in the mind that Adnan did it with Jay's help. No one can argue against Jay being involved after the way he got involved and knowing where Hae's car was.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 11 out now
by Yoshimi » Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:45 am

I really can't see Sarah saying she thinks he did it, even if that's what she thinks.

My opinion hasn't really changed over the whole season. He shouldn't have been found guilty with what little evidence they had. The prosecution's timeline is wrong. The defence was terrible. Jay's testimony was clearly manipulated by the police to fit their timeline. However the fact remains that Jay knew where the body was, so was defiantly involved.

I was really hoping the show would offer other explanation of what could have happened. Could this be what they've left until the last episode? I very much doubt it. I don't know where they'd stand legally if they where to accuse someone else. Although we're still waiting on her talking more about Don, Hae's boyfriend.

So after all that I'm pretty sure Adnan killed Hae.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 11 out now
by Yoshimi » Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:10 am

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:lol:

They bottled it, apologised and deleted the tweet after the internet backlashed. I thought it was pretty funny.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 11 out now
by abcd » Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:13 am

:lol:

That's brilliant.

Totally inappropriate mind.

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