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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 8 out now
by Monkey Man » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:03 pm

Episode 8 out now -

Episode 8 - The Deal with Jay (44 mins), 13th November
The state’s case against Adnan Syed hinged on Jay’s credibility; he was their star witness and also, because of his changing statements to police, their chief liability. Naturally, Adnan’s lawyer tried hard to make Jay look untrustworthy at trial. So, how did the jurors make sense of Jay? For that matter, how did the cops make sense of Jay? How are we supposed to make sense of Jay?

http://serialpodcast.org/season-one/8/the-deal-with-jay

Episode 9 - To Be Suspected, 20th November

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 8 out now
by Memento Mori » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:38 pm

1x08- I actually found Jay's pre-sentencing statement fairly convincing.

Huh.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 8 out now
by Hypes » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:51 pm

My idea of what Jay looked like is ruined
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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 8 out now
by Yoshimi » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:09 pm

I was expecting this to be the episode where we start thinking Jay did it (or at least that Adnan didn't do it), but sadly not. Yes the investigation was terrible. Yes the defense lawyer did a terrible job and on a good day Adnan could have got off with it. But I'm still thinking he did it and that Jay had more involvement than he admitted to.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 8 out now
by Monkey Man » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:51 pm

Ep 8 -

Good episode with fleshing out Jay done well but a shame they couldn't get a proper interview with him. Nothing new really swayed me either way. Interesting that their friend Chris had heard a different story.


This weeks Slate discussion is out, they've got a separate podcast now for easier subscribing.

The series will likely conclude in mid-December (there is no episode on Thanksgiving).

It’s quickly become the most popular podcast in the world, according to Apple, and the fastest to reach 5 million downloads and streams in iTunes history. “Serial” is the top podcast in the U.S., Canada, the U.K. and Australia, and in the top 10 in Germany, South Africa and India.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 8 out now
by Rog » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:18 pm

We miss a week for thanksgiving :|

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 9 out now
by Monkey Man » Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:14 pm

Episode 9 out now -

Episode 9 - To Be Suspected (48 mins), 20th November
New information is coming in about what maybe didn’t happen on January 13, 1999. And while Adnan’s memory of that day is foggy at best, he does remember what happened next: being questioned, being arrested and, a little more than a year later, being sentenced to life in prison.

http://serialpodcast.org/season-one/9/to-be-suspected

Episode 10 - No title yet, 4th December

Asking for donations when I visited the site -

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When we started the first season of Serial, it was as an experiment and largely funded by This American Life. But now we’d like to make Serial a show that can stand on its own. To do that, we need your help — underwriting announcements from MailChimp and others don't fully cover the costs of production. We want to continue doing in-depth reporting, following stories wherever they take us. If you like the show, and you want another season — a different story — please donate. And: we’re only asking this once. We won’t pester you with splash pages after this week. If you want to help us make a second season of Serial, act now. Thanks for your support.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 9 out now
by Rog » Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:58 pm

So now missing a week for thanksgiving and they want us to send money during the downtime....
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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 9 out now
by Monkey Man » Fri Nov 21, 2014 1:25 am

Episode 9 -

So the start of Jay's timeline is blown apart by the no pay phone at Best Buy & Hae being alive well after the supposed phone call as well. Also a possible explanation for the overheard phone call. The main part of the episode was about the post-murder life of Adnan which was interesting but not much on the case. Nice explanation on the lack of details of Hae.


I'm fine with the donation appeal, they're only doing it once for the podcast & website.

Slate's podcast for Episode 9 is out, they're doing a special podcast next Wednesday discussing the stuff surrounding the podcast.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 9 out now
by Nathanbrains » Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:16 pm

Episode 9 thoughts:
I still can't work out Jay. The only two options for me are that he committed either the murder himself or that he was heavily involved in doing it with Adnan or someone else. Clearly his series of events are largely fabricated, so why would he weave so many lies into his narrative if he genuinely only helped to bury the body? It just doesn't make sense.

I'm currently back in the "I don't think Adnan did it" camp. For a while I thought there was no way Jay would have taken such a risk by claiming Adnan did it when he wasn't certain whether he'd have an alibi, but the more we learn the more it seems he changed his account of events so many times that it's entirely plausible that he took that risk.


2 week wait for the next one. :evil:

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 9 out now
by Yoshimi » Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:26 am

It certainly didn't happen the way the prosecution claimed. All they had was Jay's testimony, and cell records. That's all been blown out the water now.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 9 out now
by Rog » Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:46 am

Didn't the coroner say that she died no later than 2:36 that day? Yet we now have evidence saying she was seen perfectly fine at least half hour after that. Throws the call log into a huge mess, even more so with Reddit/that girl saying there was no payphone at best buy. This is a clusterfuck right now.

Maybe it was all later in the day, would definitely place Adnan and Jay together. Could also explain the gap were both of them seemed to be hiding something. Neither want to point to when it actually happened as it would implicate Adnan for sure and Jay wouldn't have gotten the deal if he were more involved. I don't get why Adnan has never ranted about Jay either. At no point does he seem to have ever had a serious problem with the guy who would be lying if he were innocent. If Adnan really wanted justice he would have made more of a fuss about Jay knowing where the car was. In that situation if Adnan knows he didn't do it then it would have been Jay. Not only has the guy lied to frame you but it was him that killed your friend, get mad.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 9 out now
by Nathanbrains » Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:12 am

You've got to remember that this is 15 years after the fact, so a lot of his anger will have faded somewhat with the acceptance of his situation.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 9 out now
by Rog » Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:17 am

[iup=3620023]Nathanbrains[/iup] wrote:You've got to remember that this is 15 years after the fact, so a lot of his anger will have faded somewhat with the acceptance of his situation.


Even at the time he doesn't seem to have really pushed that Jay must be the killer. Plus if someone killed my friend and framed me I'd still want justice 15 years later. Yet I can't recall him even saying it must have been Jay.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 9 out now
by Nathanbrains » Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:25 am

But we don't know what he was like at the time because he was advised not to testify at the trial. I think the point is that he doesn't know it was Jay. He said in an earlier episode that he's very wary of accusing someone else without having all the facts because he knows how it feels to be wrongly accused. To me, it just feels like he's a genuinely nice guy who has had 15 years to contemplate the things that have happened to him. Of course it could all just be an act and we're getting played, it's just not the impression I get.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 9 out now
by Slayerx » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:30 pm

Feel this could end up been anticlimactic, hence asking for donations while the hype is still going strong.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 9 out now
by Monkey Man » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:59 pm

[iup=3620183]Slayerx[/iup] wrote:Feel this could end up been anticlimactic, hence asking for donations while the hype is still going strong.

I think that most people assumed from near the start that there's going to be no clear answers at the end. We might get some outcome from the Innocence Project at some point in the future. I'm sure that some people will lose their gooseberry fool though at it not being wrapped up in the end like a season of True Detective.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 9 out now
by FlippinChicken » Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:15 pm

Did they work out from Hae's body that she had to have been murdered on the day she disappeared?

Having made it clear that there was no phone at Best Buy, and Hae was seen alive after 2.36pm, it could simply be that she was abducted by your standard weirdo and killed at any point in the 6 weeks before she was found.

Meaning Adnan, Jay, etc all innocent.

But if that was the case - why did Jay accept his prosecution for helping bury the body?

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 9 out now
by Nathanbrains » Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:29 pm

[iup=3621166]FlippinChicken[/iup] wrote:
Did they work out from Hae's body that she had to have been murdered on the day she disappeared?

Having made it clear that there was no phone at Best Buy, and Hae was seen alive after 2.36pm, it could simply be that she was abducted by your standard weirdo and killed at any point in the 6 weeks before she was found.

Meaning Adnan, Jay, etc all innocent.

But if that was the case - why did Jay accept his prosecution for helping bury the body?


For me it's incredibly unlikely that Jay is completely innocent, he knew the precise locations of both Hae's body and her car.

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PostRe: Serial - Podcast about a real-life murder, Ep 9 out now
by Monkey Man » Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:22 am

No episode this week.

Slate this week has 2 podcasts this week, WARNING the 2nd podcast has info not talked about yet on Serial -

First, we’re sharing the full interview that Mike Pesca did with Sarah Koenig for his own podcast, The Gist. Pesca spoke with Koenig on Oct. 17, just before the release of Episode 5 of Serial, “Route Talk.” Koenig had plenty to say about the stakes of Serial, her previous work on crime stories, and more that did not make it into the abridged version. To introduce this uncut interview, Pesca reflects on the popularity of Serial and how listeners are responding to the show.


Katy Waldman and I will return, with June Thomas as our guest, and will address some of the conversation and speculation that’s happening outside the show: on Reddit, in the media, and elsewhere. We have held back on most of these details in our regular episodes, but for this one episode only, we’ll get into it.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/201 ... f_the.html

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