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by Saint of Killers » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:12 am

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Shadow of War developer who died of cancer immortalised as an in-game orc slayer

DLC proceeds go to his family.

A Shadow of War developer who died of cancer has been immortalised as an orc slayer in the game.

Monolith executive producer Michael Forgey, who died from a brain tumour last year aged just 43-years-old, appears in Shadow of War as DLC character Forthog Orc-Slayer.

If you have the £3.99 DLC, Forthog will on occasion appear to one-hit kill whichever enemy the player character is up against. Think the Mysterious Stranger from the Fallout series.

More info here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017- ... orc-slayer





That story is sad, however the story gets more complicated (and more scummy).



TL;DR - Not only does not all of the money go to the family, if you buy it from outside the US or certain states WITHIN the US, NONE of the money goes to the family, all of it goes to WB - a fact hidden in the tiny text at the end of the video. Its not as if WB is lacking money from their international tax haven bank accounts which they could donate instead.

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Someone on GAF found this: https://www.youcaring.com/michael-forgey-479259 You can donate money directly to his family.

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - PC, PS4, XB - Due OCT 10 - New trailer
by Trelliz » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:34 am

It would have cost nothing for WB to mention that themselves as an act of goodwill rather than profiting from a man's death by drawing as little attention to it as possible.

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by jawafour » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:44 am

If the "micro" transactions / pay-to-win issues weren't off-putting enough, making profit from some poor chap's passing would seem to be plumbing previously unknown depths even for Warner Bros. Good grief.

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by jawafour » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:25 pm



The Jimquisition gets stuck into Warner Bros. Just how did Warner execs turn what was a touching, honourable idea into something so tasteless?

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by Trelliz » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:39 am

jawafour wrote:Just how did Warner execs turn what was a touching, honourable idea into something so tasteless?


As he says, this is just how such companies think and work to the point that its a no-brainer. Now they're coming out with handwringing/backpeddling statements to try and fix a PR disaster they didn't think would happen.

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - PC, PS4, XB - Due OCT 10 - New trailer
by Gemini73 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:02 pm

For all the hollering and gnashing of teeth across the internet about how awful Warner Bros are folk will still buy the game regardless.

Guaranteed chart topper.

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by Trelliz » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:05 pm

Gemini73 wrote:For all the hollering and gnashing of teeth about how awful Warner Bros are folk will still buy the game regardless. Guaranteed chart topper.


Thats the sad part; that most of this stuff will go unnoticed by the casual game-buying audience rather than nerds like us who read the gaming press and think about stuff like lootboxes and season passes with a more critical eye. Either that or it'll do a mass effect andromeda and absolutely tank, who knows.

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - PC, PS4, XB - Due OCT 10 - New trailer
by Gemini73 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:07 pm

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Gemini73 wrote:For all the hollering and gnashing of teeth about how awful Warner Bros are folk will still buy the game regardless. Guaranteed chart topper.


Thats the sad part; that most of this stuff will go unnoticed by the casual game-buying audience rather than nerds like us who read the gaming press and think about stuff like lootboxes and season passes with a more critical eye. Either that or it'll do a mass effect andromeda and absolutely tank, who knows.


Generally gamers online are full of gooseberry fool and just want to feel part of the crowd. Most will still buy it, again regardless.

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by HSH28 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:57 pm

If anyone still fancies the game (you know rather than the stuff going on around it), its available for preorder for £34.85 from Simplygames...

http://deals.simplygames.com/search?key ... 20Of%20War

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by jawafour » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:51 pm

I would like to play it but, after the pay-to-win, loot box and dreadful handling of that DLC, I will hold off until I can get it for a lot lower price in a sale.

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by Preezy » Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:58 pm

Being a paragon of moral virtue I shall not be purchasing this game.

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by Trelliz » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:13 pm

jawafour wrote:I would like to play it but, after the pay-to-win, loot box and dreadful handling of that DLC, I will hold off until I can get it for a lot lower price in a sale.


Hold off and get it second hand, that way WB get none of your money at all.

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by HSH28 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:22 pm

jawafour wrote:I would like to play it but, after the pay-to-win, loot box and dreadful handling of that DLC, I will hold off until I can get it for a lot lower price in a sale.


Nothing is making you buy the DLC for the game though is it.

Obviously we don't know what's going to happen exactly with all that stuff, but its mere existence doesn't mean that its definitely going to be required to have fun playing the game.

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by Trelliz » Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:32 pm

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jawafour wrote:I would like to play it but, after the pay-to-win, loot box and dreadful handling of that DLC, I will hold off until I can get it for a lot lower price in a sale.


Nothing is making you buy the DLC for the game though is it.

Obviously we don't know what's going to happen exactly with all that stuff, but its mere existence doesn't mean that its definitely going to be required to have fun playing the game.


This is not being done out of any sense of altruism or generosity. This type of "service" is by its very nature underhanded and insidious. Just because WB tells you they don't have to take your money, do you think they don't want your money? Do you think that's not the point of it being there in the first place, and they won't do what it takes to get that money by making it as tempting as possible through lower drop rates throughout; a psychological test of your resolve while offering an easy way out of the problem they created.

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by HSH28 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:34 pm

Trelliz wrote:This is not being done out of any sense of altruism or generosity. This type of "service" is by its very nature underhanded and insidious. Just because WB tells you they don't have to take your money, do you think they don't want your money? Do you think that's not the point of it being there in the first place, and they won't do what it takes to get that money by making it as tempting as possible through lower drop rates throughout; a psychological test of your resolve while offering an easy way out of the problem they created.


Of course they want your money, there isn't a game publisher out there that doesn't want to make more money out of you, companies exist to make money.

I've ordered the game, I will not be purchasing any of the DLC or in game credit or whatever for it. It'll either be fun to play that way or it won't, but as far as I'm concerned the monetized part of the in-game might as well not exist, its not testing my resolve.

I'm willing to spend £35 on the game as it is, because I think what is there looks like it will be fun to play.

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by Trelliz » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:43 am

HSH28 wrote:Of course they want your money, there isn't a game publisher out there that doesn't want to make more money out of you, companies exist to make money.


Of course, games are ultimately products, every year we all queue up to be marketed at during e3, taken in by all the shiny baubles and smiling executives. However there is such a thing as going too far. Of course companies exist to try and make money, but is the price of the main game not enough? Is the season pass which doubles the RRP (note, NOT the lower price you can often get elsewhere) not enough? Are these lootboxes not enough goddamn money to milk from their customers?

The excuses they make about "choice" and "convenience" are all bullshit too; if it was about choice then there'd be an option when starting the game, an "i ain't got time for that" mode which ups the drop rates which would achieve the same "convenience" without taking people for a ride.

I don't buy the argument that they need to sell all this gooseberry fool to break even as its bad either way; either they are lying to our faces to make more money or their development is so bloated and gratuitous that taking the piss to this degree is needed.

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by Gemini73 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:02 pm

As Mr Sterling rightly put to publishers like Warner Bros, if after the main game sale, the season pass, all the DLC and micro transactions, the loot boxes and everything else you've pushed out the door you're still not making any money then perhaps this industry isn't for you.

Of course we all know the truth. Of course these publishing giants are turning over a few bob.

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by Saint of Killers » Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:51 pm


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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - PC, PS4, XB - Due OCT 10 - Gamasutra‏ article on upgraded Nemesis system
by Trelliz » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:36 pm


Tragic Magic wrote:RTCW is a mega plex of origami, you young bugger, enjoy the taste.
Women are so lovely.

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - PC, PS4, XB - Due OCT 10 - Gamasutra‏ article on upgraded Nemesis system
by Tafdolphin » Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:44 am



Best bit:
Bob Roberts: Yeah, it's such a charged topic. It's frankly complicated - you see the debate play out online and forum threads where people argue with each other about it.

Love that he implies here that some fans are arguing FOR loot boxes. No mate.

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