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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - New trailer. Has to be seen to be believed.
by Saint of Killers » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:11 pm



WTF are you doing, WB?

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - New trailer. Has to be seen to be believed.
by Photek » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:16 pm

Games not out yet lads.

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - New trailer. Has to be seen to be believed.
by Tafdolphin » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:18 pm

Photek wrote:Games not out yet lads.


Did you watch the trailer?

Watch the trailer.

What the strawberry float are they doing?

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - New trailer. Has to be seen to be believed.
by Saint of Killers » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:20 pm

You're saying there's still time enough for it to be cancelled and buried in in some pit? Thanks you for offering us that hope, Photek.

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - New trailer. Has to be seen to be believed.
by Knoyleo » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:20 pm

Yeah, but it could still be a good game, so we can't laugh at the trailer until we know if it is or not.

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - New trailer. Has to be seen to be believed.
by Saint of Killers » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:24 pm

Knoyleo wrote:Yeah, but it could still be a good game, so we can't laugh at the trailer until we know if it is or not.


Why choose to make a licensed product if you're then going to deviate from it to such a scale? Yeah, the game could still be not gooseberry fool, but when you do deviate from the source to such an extent (to say nothing of the nickel-and-diming) then expect to have the piss ripped.

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - New trailer. Has to be seen to be believed.
by Trelliz » Wed Aug 30, 2017 10:45 pm

Saint of Killers wrote:WTF are you doing, WB?


At this point a tonally incongruous trailer is slim pickings but holy gooseberry fool, everything they say and do around this game makes me want it less and less.

Photek wrote:Games not out yet lads.


If only it would stay that way. I feel like the above trailer is completely unironic given WB's brazen avarice and hubris.

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - New trailer. Has to be seen to be believed.
by Peter Crisp » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:59 pm

Saint of Killers wrote:

WTF are you doing, WB?


Is it me or is that the most inappropriate music they could have chosen?
The Lord of the Rings universe lends itself to epic orchestral scores not some stupid rap music.
To me it's like having a Morris Dancing game and trying to shoehorn in phat techno beats cos that's what all the kids want these days a mashup between thumping beats and jingly bells while dancing round a pole.

It actually makes me less likely to even try the game which for a trailer is pretty special.

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - New trailer. Has to be seen to be believed.
by Saint of Killers » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:54 am

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Knoyleo wrote:Yeah, but it could still be a good game, so we can't laugh at the trailer until we know if it is or not.


Why choose to make a licensed product if you're then going to deviate from it to such a scale? Yeah, the game could still be not gooseberry fool, but when you do deviate from the source to such an extent (to say nothing of the nickel-and-diming) then expect to have the piss ripped.


:oops: :oops: :oops: :fp:

So very sorry I missed the sarcasm in your post. My excuse is I had a long day, was desperate to go to sleep but still had an hour before I could do. Apologies.

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - New trailer. Has to be seen to be believed.
by Saint of Killers » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:32 am

Trelliz wrote:
Saint of Killers wrote:WTF are you doing, WB?


At this point a tonally incongruous trailer is slim pickings but holy gooseberry fool, everything they say and do around this game makes me want it less and less.


Peter Crisp wrote:Is it me or is that the most inappropriate music they could have chosen?
The Lord of the Rings universe lends itself to epic orchestral scores not some stupid rap music.
To me it's like having a Morris Dancing game and trying to shoehorn in phat techno beats cos that's what all the kids want these days a mashup between thumping beats and jingly bells while dancing round a pole.

It actually makes me less likely to even try the game which for a trailer is pretty special.


This is my issue with the direction they've chosen as well. The original was enjoyable enough and a good game at heart. But the more they move away from the kind of tone a LotR game should have the more they increase the threshold the game needs to pass for me to see it as worth playing. Though I think it's safe to say the game proper won't be as un-LotR like as that awful, awful new trailer.

Some of the other newer trailers on their YT channel:






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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - PC, PS4, XB - Due OCT 10 - New trailer
by Saint of Killers » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:47 am

Shadow of War developer who died of cancer immortalised as an in-game orc slayer

DLC proceeds go to his family.

A Shadow of War developer who died of cancer has been immortalised as an orc slayer in the game.

Monolith executive producer Michael Forgey, who died from a brain tumour last year aged just 43-years-old, appears in Shadow of War as DLC character Forthog Orc-Slayer.

If you have the £3.99 DLC, Forthog will on occasion appear to one-hit kill whichever enemy the player character is up against. Think the Mysterious Stranger from the Fallout series.

More info here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017- ... orc-slayer




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by NickSCFC » Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:51 am

This looks abysmal :fp: :lol:

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - New trailer. Has to be seen to be believed.
by jiggles » Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:35 pm

Knoyleo wrote:Yeah, but it could still be a good game, so we can't laugh at the trailer until we know if it is or not.


Subtle, but unfortunately, I never said the marketing wasn't ridiculous and didn't deserve to be laughed/scoffed at.

My point was and still is that entrenching yourself into a position where you're incessantly bleating that this is a bad game or a game to avoid based on the mention of microtransactions, or Goodbye Tomorrow in the trailers, or changing of the lore from the source material, is obnoxious. Even if it turns out to be great, discussing it in earnest on here will still be an uphill struggle, because people would rather think everyone else is wrong than admit they were.

For the record, that trailer is extremely strawberry floating dumb and seemingly focus-tested to within an inch of its life. The marketing around this game has been an absolute trainwreck, and everything about the messaging has been the worst I've seen from WB, who, as already the worst AAA publisher out there, is really saying something.

This deceased producer DLC, while it might have been well-intentioned at its inception, really rubs me the wrong way. I think it's completely tasteless and frankly disgusting to draw this level of attention to it. "Put it right in the marketing cycle to help shift the tone with sympathy! Don't forget to mention the price!". Even with proceeds going to the guy's family, it feels like emotional manipulation. Guilting players into funding a donation to the family of some guy they don't know, when it could just be free and the company could just make the donation themselves.

I still think the game looks really strawberry floating good.

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - New trailer. Has to be seen to be believed.
by Moggy » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:26 pm

Saint of Killers wrote:

WTF are you doing, WB?


strawberry floating hell, that's an awful trailer. :lol:

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - New trailer. Has to be seen to be believed.
by Trelliz » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:56 pm

jiggles wrote:My point was and still is that entrenching yourself into a position where you're incessantly bleating that this is a bad game or a game to avoid based on the mention of microtransactions, or Goodbye Tomorrow in the trailers, or changing of the lore from the source material, is obnoxious. Even if it turns out to be great, discussing it in earnest on here will still be an uphill struggle, because people would rather think everyone else is wrong than admit they were.


Is the implication here that you are somehow objectively right and anyone critical of it is delusional or blind to the 'truth'? I think the discussion herein has been pretty earnest, with myself and others expressing opinions in a clear and non-obnoxious way. Does "discussing it in earnest" mean only talk about it in a positive light or in a reductionist framework which omits things like how the drop rates of rare stuff may well be skewed to make spending real money on sight-unseen lootboxes more appealing for no good gameplay reason but for sheer greed?

For what its worth, i expect the actual game underneath all the terrible pr and monetisation will be [jimsterling]"AAA"[/jimsterling] through and through. It will be functionally solid, not too difficult but padded out too much; reviewers will praise the graphics, nemesis system and orcs but say the story is superficial and too thinly-spread over the grind once the base sieges wear out their novelty. It'll sell gangbusters for a few weeks then drop off once the twitch-streamer locust swarm has stripped it bare and moved on to call of duty and destiny 2.

Is that earnest enough?

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - New trailer. Has to be seen to be believed.
by jiggles » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:00 pm

Trelliz wrote:
jiggles wrote:My point was and still is that entrenching yourself into a position where you're incessantly bleating that this is a bad game or a game to avoid based on the mention of microtransactions, or Goodbye Tomorrow in the trailers, or changing of the lore from the source material, is obnoxious. Even if it turns out to be great, discussing it in earnest on here will still be an uphill struggle, because people would rather think everyone else is wrong than admit they were.


Is the implication here that you are somehow objectively right and anyone critical of it is delusional or blind to the 'truth'?

Never.

Trelliz wrote:Does "discussing it in earnest" mean only talk about it in a positive light or in a reductionist framework which omits things like how the drop rates of rare stuff may well be skewed to make spending real money on sight-unseen lootboxes more appealing for no good gameplay reason but for sheer greed?


I can't take any issue with anything you're saying here. Before I had a problem with you saying this was certain, and I've never said that it certainly isn't going to be the case.

And of course earnest discussion doesn't mean you can't be critical. I'm disappointed that you honestly believe I'm that strawberry floating thick, but here we apparently are.

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - PC, PS4, XB - Due OCT 10 - New trailer
by Trelliz » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:31 pm

I don't think you're thick, far from it, hence asking for clarification. I've seen thick people arguing about shadow of war on 4ch*n and that is a whole other level. I think we're sort of agreeing from different stances so i'm going to leave it here for now; with no intention of sarcasm or bile i hope the game is as good as you expect, but i will be holding off for a good long time because of the stuff we've talked about here and my considerable backlog. With any luck by the end of 2018 i'll get round to Horizon Zero Dawn and maybe this too.

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - PC, PS4, XB - Due OCT 10 - New trailer
by Trelliz » Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:41 pm

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Shadow of War developer who died of cancer immortalised as an in-game orc slayer

DLC proceeds go to his family.

A Shadow of War developer who died of cancer has been immortalised as an orc slayer in the game.

Monolith executive producer Michael Forgey, who died from a brain tumour last year aged just 43-years-old, appears in Shadow of War as DLC character Forthog Orc-Slayer.

If you have the £3.99 DLC, Forthog will on occasion appear to one-hit kill whichever enemy the player character is up against. Think the Mysterious Stranger from the Fallout series.

More info here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017- ... orc-slayer





That story is sad, however the story gets more complicated (and more scummy).



TL;DR - Not only does not all of the money go to the family, if you buy it from outside the US or certain states WITHIN the US, NONE of the money goes to the family, all of it goes to WB - a fact hidden in the tiny text at the end of the video. Its not as if WB is lacking money from their international tax haven bank accounts which they could donate instead.

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - PC, PS4, XB - Due OCT 10 - New trailer
by Saint of Killers » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:12 am

Trelliz wrote:
Saint of Killers wrote:
Shadow of War developer who died of cancer immortalised as an in-game orc slayer

DLC proceeds go to his family.

A Shadow of War developer who died of cancer has been immortalised as an orc slayer in the game.

Monolith executive producer Michael Forgey, who died from a brain tumour last year aged just 43-years-old, appears in Shadow of War as DLC character Forthog Orc-Slayer.

If you have the £3.99 DLC, Forthog will on occasion appear to one-hit kill whichever enemy the player character is up against. Think the Mysterious Stranger from the Fallout series.

More info here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017- ... orc-slayer





That story is sad, however the story gets more complicated (and more scummy).



TL;DR - Not only does not all of the money go to the family, if you buy it from outside the US or certain states WITHIN the US, NONE of the money goes to the family, all of it goes to WB - a fact hidden in the tiny text at the end of the video. Its not as if WB is lacking money from their international tax haven bank accounts which they could donate instead.

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Someone on GAF found this: https://www.youcaring.com/michael-forgey-479259 You can donate money directly to his family.

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PostRe: Middle-earth: Shadow of War - PC, PS4, XB - Due OCT 10 - New trailer
by Trelliz » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:34 am

It would have cost nothing for WB to mention that themselves as an act of goodwill rather than profiting from a man's death by drawing as little attention to it as possible.

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