Sherlock

Gemini73 · PostRe: Sherlock by **Gemini73** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:05 am

That was quality.

PostRe: Sherlock by **That** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:51 am

Really enjoyed that!

PostRe: Sherlock by **still** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:03 am

FlippinChicken wrote:Lads hold up a second.

Did Mycroft say he and Sherlock had another brother??

Never read any of the books and a quick google search would probably reveal the answer but

PostRe: Sherlock by **FlippinChicken** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:06 am

still wrote:
FlippinChicken wrote:Lads hold up a second.

Did Mycroft say he and Sherlock had another brother??

Never read any of the books and a quick google search would probably reveal the answer but
would his other brother happen to be Morriaty by any chance??

I seriously seriously hope not.

Kinda feel like that would tip us over the cheese scale. We do see that MYcroft sees Sherlock as a child, and apparently it was Mycroft who upset their parents etc etc so I suppose there's some backstory there which explains where the other brother is?

Can't imagine it's Moriarty, surely they wouldn't contrive that...
I don't actually think Moriarty is alive per se. It's a tool used by someone else, perhaps even Mycroft or Sherlock, to get Sherlock back?

Hoping we get Lord Moran proper. I know he was technically the guy who planted the bomb in episode 1, but hopefully that's a red herring and we get a seriously evil Moran. He's class in the books

PostRe: Sherlock by **still** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:11 am

FlippinChicken wrote:
still wrote:
FlippinChicken wrote:Lads hold up a second.

Did Mycroft say he and Sherlock had another brother??

Never read any of the books and a quick google search would probably reveal the answer but
would his other brother happen to be Morriaty by any chance??

I seriously seriously hope not.

Kinda feel like that would tip us over the cheese scale. We do see that MYcroft sees Sherlock as a child, and apparently it was Mycroft who upset their parents etc etc so I suppose there's some backstory there which explains where the other brother is?

Can't imagine it's Moriarty, surely they wouldn't contrive that...
I don't actually think Moriarty is alive per se. It's a tool used by someone else, perhaps even Mycroft or Sherlock, to get Sherlock back?

Hoping we get Lord Moran proper. I know he was technically the guy who planted the bomb in episode 1, but hopefully that's a red herring and we get a seriously evil Moran. He's class in the books

PostRe: Sherlock by **Floex** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:17 am

Benzin wrote:Moriarty reveal would've been better if it had just been the "miss me?" bit straight after the credits rather than the whole quick set up to get Sherlock back

Fab episode though, wish the series' were longer though... Finishes before it's began.........

Let's face it, no one is watching the credits to the very end.

PostRe: Sherlock by **SandyCoin** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:23 pm

Seems I didn't like last nights episode anywhere near as much as everyone else. It was better than the other 2 for sure, but a lot of it, including how it was shot and the whole mind palace stuff just made me view it as something a recent media graduate made. Trying to do everything at once and it become a bit of a mess. Shots seemingly dragged on and on.

Saw what was going to happen a mile off though, so that might have tainted it a bit for me. Can't say I liked any of the story involving Mary either. I certainly enjoyed it more than last weeks episode, as I actually sat and watched the whole thing.

PostRe: Sherlock by **Dual** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:25 pm

Is Mary a character in the books?

PostRe: Sherlock by **Skippy** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:30 pm

Dual wrote:Is Mary a character in the books?

Watson's wife/girlfriend is always called Mary but the rest of the stuff in last night's episode was new, I imagine to make her character it bit more interesting than just "a wife for Watson"

PostRe: Sherlock by **Herdanos** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:37 pm

I also wasn't as big a fan of last night's episode as everyone else seems to be (it's gotten some fairly good reviews) - in fact, I'd say it's the weakest Sherlock season finale to date. I thought the second episode of this series was its peak, which was decent as traditionally the middle episode is the least gripping of the three.

I don't understand how Moriarty can really be back given that it seems Sherlock's faking of his own death was dependent on using Moriarty's corpse. I can only assume that we're yet to get the full story as to what happened there and everything we've seen of it so far has just been filler. The theory that it's not actually Moriarty but someone else behind this holds up if you don't consider the post-credits scene to be canon, but in my opinion that's simply wrong - they chose to show us the flesh-and-blood Moriarty speaking directly to the camera, which suggests it's definitely him and he's still live and kicking.

To me, it was a little disappointing. Sherlock's blunder was somewhat out of character and his reaction was surreal. Not sure why he needed to spend so much time undercover for the case when CAM didn't buy into the drug thing anyway. They built CAM up to be this Moriarty-level supervillain and then killed him off in the same episode they brought him in for... and then brought Moriarty back. It almost feels like they decided halfway through that Magnusson (sic?) was never going to be as good a villain as Moriarty, so they killed one off and brought in the other.

Until last night I didn't have a problem with the show's three episode structure (as they're essentially films as opposed to traditional TV episodes) but it's hard to think of a time when the show was ever 'normal', in that we simply saw Sherlock and John solve crimes and put away bad people. We get allusions to those incidents every now and then (particularly in the last episode, during Sherlock's speech) but in my mind there's months - maybe years - of run-of-the-mill crime-solving that we've simply never been shown.

PostRe: Sherlock by **The Watching Artist** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:35 pm

still wrote:
FlippinChicken wrote:
still wrote:
FlippinChicken wrote:Lads hold up a second.

Did Mycroft say he and Sherlock had another brother??

Never read any of the books and a quick google search would probably reveal the answer but
would his other brother happen to be Morriaty by any chance??

I seriously seriously hope not.

Kinda feel like that would tip us over the cheese scale. We do see that MYcroft sees Sherlock as a child, and apparently it was Mycroft who upset their parents etc etc so I suppose there's some backstory there which explains where the other brother is?

Can't imagine it's Moriarty, surely they wouldn't contrive that...
I don't actually think Moriarty is alive per se. It's a tool used by someone else, perhaps even Mycroft or Sherlock, to get Sherlock back?

Hoping we get Lord Moran proper. I know he was technically the guy who planted the bomb in episode 1, but hopefully that's a red herring and we get a seriously evil Moran. He's class in the books

Not sure whether Morriaty is alive or dead myself - you may well be right though. Am I the only person who thought that Mary's back story was an utterly unnecessary contrivance last night??

PostRe: Sherlock by **Moggy** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:39 pm

I assumed that the end means that something was set up by Moriarty before he died just in case Holmes somehow got the better of him. His "network" could still be partially around and could do enough to mess with Sherlock without Moriarty actually having to be alive.

PostRe: Sherlock by **Skippy** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:09 pm

Moggy wrote:I assumed that the end means that something was set up by Moriarty before he died just in case Holmes somehow got the better of him. His "network" could still be partially around and could do enough to mess with Sherlock without Moriarty actually having to be alive.

Unlikely. A TV show as big as this can't tease the return of a character and actor so popular without delivering. Fans would be pissed off and rightly so He could still be dead and appear in a bunch of videos however. A plan concocted to take place in the event of his death maybe

PostRe: Sherlock by **still** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:16 pm

Nicked from The Independent:-

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 56856.html

It's got a 'highly sophisticated computer' you know!

PostRe: Sherlock by **Moggy** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:24 pm

Skippy wrote:
Moggy wrote:I assumed that the end means that something was set up by Moriarty before he died just in case Holmes somehow got the better of him. His "network" could still be partially around and could do enough to mess with Sherlock without Moriarty actually having to be alive.

Unlikely. A TV show as big as this can't tease the return of a character and actor so popular without delivering. Fans would be pissed off and rightly so He could still be dead and appear in a bunch of videos however. A plan concocted to take place in the event of his death maybe

Isn't your last line pretty much what I said? :lol:

PostRe: Sherlock by **ladybayred** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:57 pm

When Mary shot Sherlock (I may not of been paying much attention) how did she get into Magnuson's seemingly impregnable office? And why didn't she shoot Magnuson (again not paying much attention).

Also why would Magnuson reveal his mind palace to Sherlock. Revealing his secret too two people who were going to prison and would surely spill the beans (nothing to lose?) made him vulnerable to any one of the people he blackmails to kill him?

Seemed like a stupid move to me.

PostRe: Sherlock by **Hexx** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:05 pm

ladybayred wrote:When Mary shot Sherlock (I may not of been paying much attention) how did she get into Magnuson's seemingly impregnable office? And why didn't she shoot Magnuson (again not paying much attention).

Also why would Magnuson reveal his mind palace to Sherlock. Revealing his secret too two people who were going to prison and would surely spill the beans (nothing to lose?) made him vulnerable to any one of the people he blackmails to kill him?

Seemed like a stupid move to me.

They finger waved how she got in, but they stated she made friends with Jemma for the same reason as Sherlock.

She didn't shoot Magnuson as that would leave John as the sole witness/suspect in a flat with 2 victims (1 dead, other dying). By only stunning Magnuson he backed up John about a shooter presence (but kept the identity secret because...um...blackmail potential), and for some reason Sherlock/John got off the break in scot free.

PostRe: Sherlock by **HSH28** » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:44 pm

Hexx wrote:...for some reason Sherlock/John got off the break in scot free.

Well that's pretty obvious isn't it. Magnuson had an elaborate plan that required Sherlock, why would he press charges about breaking in to his office and upset his own plan?

As for the whole Mary thing, they'd obviously been planting little clues in all the episodes, I thought it was pretty well done.

Liked the episode and the series in the end, I think the second episode is probably still the best of the 3, but the last one is a close second.

PostRe: Sherlock by **Captain Kinopio** » Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:16 pm

Really enjoyed it but not as much as last weeks, thought the ending was pretty stupid too. If he's got all these super evil people hating him surely one of them would just kill him and set fire to his house. I assumed there must be a reason that couldn't be done but in the end he just got shot anyway and it just left me thinking that it was bit daft.

PostRe: Sherlock by **Skippy** » Wed Jan 15, 2014 9:32 am

HSH28 wrote:
Hexx wrote:As for the whole Mary thing, they'd obviously been planting little clues in all the episodes, I thought it was pretty well done.

The liar thing in the first episode being the biggest clue. I remember it striking me as strange but I had forgotten about it until it was brought up again.

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