Sir Bradley Wiggins & Team Sky ‘crossed ethical line’ - doping in sport report

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by Ad7 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:50 pm

Dat pay to win model.

Cycling should be sponsored by EA.

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by Blue Eyes » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:43 pm

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drugs allowed


How is this a story, if they're allowed they're allowed.

The question is of morality, apparently. Knowingly taking a powerful steroid that for some reason isn’t illegal. It seems a bit stupid to me but I hate Wiggins so I hope he gets slaughtered.

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PostRe: Sir Bradley Wiggins & Team Sky ‘crossed ethical line’ - doping in sport report
by Dual » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:44 pm

satriales wrote:I thought this was already known for ages.


No?

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by bear » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:19 am

satriales wrote:I thought this was already known for ages.

The story has been out there a while alright but I think most observers expected the MPs report to be a whitewash job and exonerate Wiggins totally. They've done the opposite which is a shock.

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PostRe: Sir Bradley Wiggins & Team Sky ‘crossed ethical line’ - doping in sport report
by Frank » Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:23 am

Why is it the MPs that have done this report, anyway? Aren't they meant to be concerned with... running the country or something? As big an issue as drugs in sports are, it doesn't feel like it's really something they need to get involved with.

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by Moggy » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:24 am

Frank wrote:Why is it the MPs that have done this report, anyway? Aren't they meant to be concerned with... running the country or something? As big an issue as drugs in sports are, it doesn't feel like it's really something they need to get involved with.


Wiggins received a knighthood for his sporting achievements and knighthoods are very political.

The main reason though would be that he was part of Olympic teams and public funding is provided to British Olympians.

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PostRe: Sir Bradley Wiggins & Team Sky ‘crossed ethical line’ - doping in sport report
by Preezy » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:50 pm

Wiggins has said he 100% is not a cheat.

Which sounds exactly like the sort of thing a 100% cheat would say...

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PostRe: Sir Bradley Wiggins & Team Sky ‘crossed ethical line’ - doping in sport report
by FudgeDiver » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:57 pm

Getting accused of tax avoision too, whose wife did he shag to get all this to drop on him at once :lol:

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PostRe: Sir Bradley Wiggins & Team Sky ‘crossed ethical line’ - doping in sport report
by Moggy » Tue Mar 06, 2018 3:59 pm

Preezy wrote:Wiggins has said he 100% is not a cheat.

Which sounds exactly like the sort of thing a 100% cheat would say...


What would a non-cheat say? That they are 98% not a cheat?

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PostRe: Sir Bradley Wiggins & Team Sky ‘crossed ethical line’ - doping in sport report
by Blue Eyes » Tue Mar 06, 2018 4:01 pm

FudgeDiver wrote:Getting accused of tax avoision too, whose wife did he shag to get all this to drop on him at once :lol:

"Avoision, it's a crime - look it up"
"I don't say 'evasion', I say 'avoision!"

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PostRe: Sir Bradley Wiggins & Team Sky ‘crossed ethical line’ - doping in sport report
by captain red dog » Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:34 pm

In Formula One, there is always a culture of studying the rule book and pushing to the absolute limit what you are allowed to do. Sounds to me like Team Sky and Wiggins also did this, and didn't go a millimetre over the line.

That's exactly what top sports teams/people should be doing and if the governing bodies don't like it they can change the rules to make things like therapeutic exemptions illegal.

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by <]:^D » Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:48 am

i think its more nuanced than that. if someone is a professional athlete, but they have asthma and therefore are suffering in their personal life and need a medical intervention (but may have beneficial side effects) it seems a bit harsh to outlaw that. its actually an ethical issue - if the doctor is prescribing medicine that is not needed then theyre morally and legally in the wrong.

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PostRe: Sir Bradley Wiggins & Team Sky ‘crossed ethical line’ - doping in sport report
by Dowbocop » Thu Mar 08, 2018 8:27 am

The rules are the rules so if he hadn't broken the rules then fine. However, he seemed to mention that he took the asthma medication to make a level playing field. Surely the point of sport is to not have a level playing field, in that the people who are built best for the sport and train hardest will succeed. I'm gooseberry fool at football, but that's because there's not a single position that I don't have serious physical, technical, or tactical deficiencies in. That's just sport...

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by mcjihge2 » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:29 am

I said it in the Froome thread a while ago. I think they way they take their "asthma medicine" is cheating.

They are like wah! im out of breath when i cycle fast, i must have asthma, give me medicine!

News flash - everyone gets out of breath when they cycle fast, the medicine you take that allows you to get less out of breath makes you a cheater.

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PostRe: Sir Bradley Wiggins & Team Sky ‘crossed ethical line’ - doping in sport report
by abcd » Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:10 am

mcjihge2 wrote:I said it in the Froome thread a while ago. I think they way they take their "asthma medicine" is cheating.

They are like wah! im out of breath when i cycle fast, i must have asthma, give me medicine!

News flash - everyone gets out of breath when they cycle fast, the medicine you take that allows you to get less out of breath makes you a cheater.



Hmmm, yes and no......

There has been some proper science done by scientists that suggest that top athletes are more likely to be asthmatic.

Look, here is a link....

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/ ... y-swimmers

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PostRe: Sir Bradley Wiggins & Team Sky ‘crossed ethical line’ - doping in sport report
by Bleachyleachy » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:17 pm

Honestly at this point I say just legalise all doping and have super human olympics/competitions

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PostRe: Sir Bradley Wiggins & Team Sky ‘crossed ethical line’ - doping in sport report
by Vermilion » Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:15 pm

captain red dog wrote:In Formula One, there is always a culture of studying the rule book and pushing to the absolute limit what you are allowed to do.


F1 has a rule book? It can often resemble such a farce that i thought they just kinda made things up as they go.

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PostRe: Sir Bradley Wiggins & Team Sky ‘crossed ethical line’ - doping in sport report
by bear » Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:05 pm

I think Sky have been hung up their own PR efforts in the past. They made a big show about being a clean team and their attention to detail.

If everything was above board then why hide the TUE in the first place? Details of it didn't emerge for until well after the tour.


On the subject of attention to details this is a team that prides itself on leaving no stone unturned with their massively detailed guide to handwashing being the prime example. They transport the riders mattresses around over the course of the race to help their sleep is another example. All this effort into making sure everything is tip top but apparently the team doctor never thought to make a backup of the contents of his laptop containing the medical records of the teams top rider? And there isn't a paper trail proving beyond all doubt just what was in the jiffy bag? It's a story that's hard to have much faith in.

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PostRe: Sir Bradley Wiggins & Team Sky ‘crossed ethical line’ - doping in sport report
by Memento Mori » Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:05 pm

Bleachyleachy wrote:Honestly at this point I say just legalise all doping and have super human olympics/competitions

I think that's just the Olympics.


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