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by Cumberdanes » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:20 pm

I'm really surprised that there isn't a single puzzle game. I'd have expected maybe Tetris Attack, Kirby's Ghost Trap or Mario's Picross.

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by Lime » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:31 pm

Do you think you can power this from a USB slot on your TV?

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by Victor Mildew » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:42 pm

I'd imagine so.

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by the eponymous bollock » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:46 pm

Glad they announced preorders well ahead of time and put them up at a time when most people were likely to be able to get online and actually sent emails out to people who registered an interest.

Good job Nintendo

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by Green Gecko » Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:58 pm

the eponymous bollock wrote:Glad they announced preorders well ahead of time and put them up at a time when most people were likely to be able to get online and actually sent emails out to people who registered an interest.

Good job Nintendo

Yeah, I never got an e-mail from Amazon or Nintendo.

Rax wrote:Pilotwings is the big omission, the DKC sequels as well would have been nice to have on there.

DKC2/3 probably aren't there because Miyamoto hates them. They deliberately don't contain Donkey Kong and only Rare's original characters because Rare were pissed off with Nintendo at the time. Miyamoto was shitting on their Silicon Graphics stuff, because it made Nintendo look worse than a 2nd party at graphics. He once made an infamous comment that Donkey Kong has poor gameplay but gets away with it with good graphics. That's why Yoshi's Island is hand-drawn style because Miyamoto has never embraced realism and that attitude has perforated Nintendo forever. It was other, younger producers in Nintendo (the ones who are showing up in press conferences etc now) that embraced Silicone Graphics stuff with Wave Race etc. on the '64 and it took Miyamoto a long time to catch up. Even Twilight Princess is cel-shaded. Everyone assumes Rare's relationship to Nintendo was great but it really was just as strained as with MS (eventually leading to the Stamper Brothers leaving) because they were forced to do stuff to their games they didn't want to do. Such as in the case of Dinosaur Planet, pretty much 100% finished when Nintendo said to gut it and make it a Starfox game. Once Rare were sold to MS they didn't even bother with it, which is why the graphics are top notch but the game is pretty average. They just didn't care anymore. I kind of wish Rare was an independent studio but, to be honest, I think their output would be (and arguably is) pretty poor because they have leaned on producer's input from part owners for so long now and so much of the talent has moved on.

Apart from the licensing issues, this and similar reasons are why retro Rare games are mostly missing from Nintendo systems. Rare wanted to see the back of Nintendo after being tied for so long to a system that really wasn't very successful (N64). It was Nintendo that decided to sell their shares (back to Rare I believe) after they were tired of waiting for Rare's games to move along and there wasn't much to be gained from the relationship anymore. It wasn't Rare that could decide to do that - it was Nintendo that afforded them the opportunity to cut ties. Which they did by selling 100% to Microsoft.

captain red dog wrote:So Star Fox 2 then. I'm guessing as an 'unlockable' it's an excuse for them not to have to optimise the original build and fully debug etc to get it into a state equivalent to an original SNES release.

The game is 100% finished - it was even sent to Mario Club for debugging and testing. The leaked ROM is a beta version. It was confirmed by Eurogamer speaking to a programmer on the project. The only reason they didn't release the game was it did some things better than Miyamoto did in Starfox 64 while it was still in development, and Nintendo hate being shown up. So they canned the game at the last minute, implemented various 3D features in Starfox 64 (and possibly Mario 64 as well) so that it would look better next to PS1 and Saturn games.

They never even paid Argonaut for it. Nintendo are known to have pinched a lot of stuff from their partners and taken credit for it or dumbed it down in some way. They've even completely destroyed games from Western developers who they cannot form a working relationship with because they have incredibly stubborn working practices, and Japanese is basically impenetrable, but it's gotten better over the years with Retro Studios, NST (I think?) etc.

Including the infamous Super Mario ROM from the Internet (but that's partly because it seems some of Nintendo's own archival copies / ROMs are missing or corrupted and so it was faster to just download it. After all, it's their intellectual property and was never licensed to be distributed in any other format than a cartridge).

Been talking to the other half about this console, she wants it but only because it's very, very small.

So I'm going to CNC mill a European SNES body for a Pi 2 and install a genuine SNES controller port in it, that will work over GPIO and RetroArch/EmulationStation (Retropi). Basically strawberry float it, can literally make my own mini SNES and I can even legally play 3 of the ROMs included with this on it. For well under £69 or the £80+ retailers are asking for it.

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by captain red dog » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:23 pm

Fair play GG, that's one heck of a history lesson!

EDIT: Very tempted to watch YouTube videos of a lot of these games to refresh my memory but I kind of want to avoid it so it will be nice and fresh on release day!

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by Green Gecko » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:35 pm

I got a lot of that from Fact Hunt by Larry Bundy Jr, of course it's hard to verify his sources but it was interesting nonetheless and it all matches up with various comments other developers have said, after coming through the woodwork over the years, in more candid ways like podcasts, blog posts, YouTube videos etc.

The one Rare did where they got drunk and played the entirety of Conker's Bad Fur Day was brilliant. :lol:

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by Lime » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:35 pm

I'm thinking you have to beat the first level of Starfox 1 to unlock Starfox 2 to reset people's expectations of a legendary super-hyped unreleased game - it's going to look pretty basic with a low framerate compared to even the most basic 3d titles now. Not so much of a problem for those of us that were gaming back then, but for newer gamers they will wonder what the fuss is about. Compared to the timeless classics such as Super Mario World and Kart, Metroid and Zelda, it's going to look pretty rough.

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by Qikz » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:36 pm

Well the Super Famicom Mini has Panel de Pon which is one of my favourite Puzzle games. Looks like I'll be trying to camp Amazon Japan again!

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by Jordan UK » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:37 pm

Godzilla wrote:GAME were pushing this in-store today


Were they still taking pre-orders?

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by Green Gecko » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:38 pm

This entire thread I've been thinking, "When are we going to get Qikz's lowdown on the JP release and which obscure game he has to play." :lol:

And yeah, StarWing is barely playable, it's like 11FPS. It's enjoyable but shocking compared to 60FPS Super Metroid for example. That game holds up incredibly well, and looks fantastic over HDMI (played on Wii U). I only recently managed to beat one of the pathways on Starwing for SNES, it's rock hard and you really have to "get inside" the mindset of like 20 polys per screen and the screen updating at such a low rate - it's almost more of an illusion of gameplay than real movement. :lol:

captain red dog wrote:Fair play GG, that's one heck of a history lesson!

EDIT: Very tempted to watch YouTube videos of a lot of these games to refresh my memory but I kind of want to avoid it so it will be nice and fresh on release day!

Nintendo have this massive archive of mint boxed copies of almost everything they've ever sold stacked up in storage racking in some bunker somewhere in Kyoto. They probably have development cartridges or ROMs of unfinished/unreleased games dumped to blank cartridges or magnetic tape etc. So it's just a case of them justifying a release/debug of the thing. Who knows what else is out there? Imagine visiting such a place!

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016- ... cret-rooms

I've actually visited the Nintendo Kyoto HQ and it really does look like a military compound, aside from the garden and solar powered sprinkler systems etc they've since added. I was too nervous to go close because I'm pretty sure they actually had armed guards at the entrances. :dread:

I found by accident, I got lost cycling in the wrong direction out of Kyoto City instead back to the centre. :lol:

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by Godzilla » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:39 pm

Jordan UK wrote:
Godzilla wrote:GAME were pushing this in-store today


Were they still taking pre-orders?


Yeah bought something else and they asked me at the til if I wanted to pre order. Didn't ask details as it's GAME and they probably won't be around by the time the Snes Mini launches.

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by Jordan UK » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:42 pm

Eighthours wrote:
Jordan UK wrote:So...

...apart from non-first party stuff (for obvious reasons), are there any noticeable omissions from the set of 20/21?

I would have liked Pilotwings.


Pilotwings is the most obvious omission for me. Maybe Chrono Trigger. Shame Axelay isn't on there.


Having thought about it (and again, non-first party issues aside - there's Contra III, Megaman, Final Fantasy already on there, afterall) my other favourites would have been...

Alien 3, NBA Jam, UN Squadron, Super Tennis, Super Bomberman, Turtles in Time, Final Fight and Axelay.

I can understand many of those missing (again, for licensing issues, especially NBA Jam, Turtles and Alien 3) but I would have loved Super Tennis, too. Can't see why this didn't make the cut. Would have been great in two player.

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by Jordan UK » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:43 pm

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Jordan UK wrote:
Godzilla wrote:GAME were pushing this in-store today


Were they still taking pre-orders?


Yeah bought something else and they asked me at the til if I wanted to pre order. Didn't ask details as it's GAME and they probably won't be around by the time the Snes Mini launches.


Seems strange that they can still offer in store when they're so scarce everywhere else. Did you pre-order, tho?

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by Hypes » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:46 pm

Yeah Starting looks shite and is rock hard. I'd say it's still playable but it does look arse.

So who has the better Street Fighter? Japan or the West?

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by Godzilla » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:47 pm

Decided against it as I've just bought a Switch and I'd be buying the Mini for Metroid and Megaman X. So hopefully they'll be on the switch VC in time. Plus the length of the cables really puts me off.

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by Jordan UK » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:50 pm

Godzilla wrote:Decided against it as I've just bought a Switch and I'd be buying the Mini for Metroid and Megaman X. So hopefully they'll be on the switch VC in time. Plus the length of the cables really puts me off.


I've got one pre-ordered but I'm caught in two minds. Nice to play with original-sized controllers, though.

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by Jordan UK » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:51 pm

Hyperion wrote:Yeah Starting looks shite and is rock hard. I'd say it's still playable but it does look arse.

So who has the better Street Fighter? Japan or the West?


It's got to be the West with Turbo, hasn't it?

Isn't it faster and has four extra playable characters?

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by Floex » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:55 pm

Yeah, Japan got screwed on that one.

Am surprised no Bomberman is part of the collection. Seemed like a shoe-in.

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by jawafour » Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:02 pm

Floex wrote:...Am surprised no Bomberman is part of the collection. Seemed like a shoe-in.

I think it will be because, as I suggested earlier, Nintendo would have to set up some kinda agreement with third parties to re-use their older games on the device. I believe all of the current roster were Nintendo published... bar SF II and Ghosts & Gobs, meaning that Nintendo must have reached an agreement with Capcom.

If they could reach a similar agreement with Konami, then yeah - it'd be ace to see Bomberman and Zombies Ate My Neighbors :) .


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