Stamp duty is axed below £175,000

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by Hexx » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:04 am

Stamp duty is to be axed for a year on properties costing less than £175,000 as part of a package of measures being unveiled to help the housing market.

The level at which the 1% purchase tax has to be paid is to be increased from £125,000, from Wednesday morning.

The move - which applies to residential property - would save someone buying a £175,000 property £1,750.

Other measures aimed at boosting the market include "free" loans of up to 30% for first time buyers in England.

Households earning less than £60,000 will be offered loans free of charge for five years on new properties, co-funded by the state and developers.

The stamp duty move was welcomed by Britain's biggest mortgage lender, Halifax.

A spokeswoman said: "This is a sensible measure and it will help the housing market."

House prices are reportedly falling at their fastest rate since the early 1990s, while rising fuel costs and the global credit crunch are denting economic confidence.

Communities Secretary Hazel Blears will announce a raft of proposals on Tuesday aimed at buoying the property market. She is one of several cabinet ministers putting forward plans seen as the beginning of Mr Brown's "recovery plan".

The loans system, called HomeBuy Direct, is to be run together with "large-scale" property firms.

They are not going to help the vast majority of families facing a rising cost of living and falling house prices
George Osborne, Conservatives

Once the five-year "free" period is up, homebuyers will be asked to pay a fee, the Department for Communities and Local Government said - although no more detail of this was provided.

A spokesman added that "hundreds of millions of pounds" had been put aside in the last Budget for such a move.

In a statement, the DCLG said: "Not only will this [HomeBuy Direct] help first-time buyers, but it will also support the industry by identifying buyers for their new homes.

"This will help the housebuilding industry weather difficult conditions, so that, when the market recovers, they are ready to expand and get back on with building the new homes the country needs for the long term."

'More homes sooner'

For existing homeowners who can no longer afford mortgage payments, the government says councils or social housing landlords can pay off the debt and instead charge tenants rent "at a level they can afford".

The DCLG is also promising to "bring forward funding for social housing from existing budgets, delivering more social homes sooner".

The prime minister has faced a difficult few months, with Labour losing two parliamentary seats in by-elections, the London mayoralty and many councillors in May's local elections.

'Resilient'

On Monday, he said the UK faced "unique circumstances", including oil prices trebling and the global credit crunch.

But Mr Brown said the government was "resilient in... dealing with these problems".

He earlier denied a rift with Chancellor Alistair Darling, who had said the country was facing its worst economic crisis in 60 years.

For the Conservatives, shadow chancellor George Osborne said: "We will look at the details of these measures and we will support those that will work.

"But let's be clear, they are not going to help the vast majority of families facing a rising cost of living and falling house prices.

"Nor do they amount to the first instalment of the economic recovery plan we were promised.

"I suspect that what we will see in the coming weeks is a desperate and short-term survival plan for the prime minister rather that the long-term economic plan the country needs."

Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg said: "This looks like a hotchpotch of measures thrown together to save Gordon Brown's political skin.

"The social housing stock could be increased far more easily by allowing local authorities to buy up unsold properties and use them for new social housing.

"Yet again the government is desperately scrabbling around for a way to fix problems of its own making."


(My bolding)

Oh my.

Not quite sure what to make of this.

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PostRe: Stamp duty is axed below £175,000
by Eighthours » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:20 am

These measures are going to get first time buyers interested again in buying houses, but the only reasons they weren't in the past couple of months were because the Government had dangled the carrot of this stamp duty thing without saying what it would be, which effectively paralysed the market, and because of the shithouse nature of current mortgage deals. None of the measures announced address the latter.

Also, this loans thing sounds like a bit of a disaster waiting to happen. First time buyers have enough trouble finding their monthly mortgage payments at the moment, let alone having to service a loan at the same time. This is going to stoke up MAJOR problems come 2013 onwards.

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PostRe: Stamp duty is axed below £175,000
by abcd » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:27 am

So stamp duty is stopped for a year....

You won't have to pay it back after a year or something?

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PostRe: Stamp duty is axed below £175,000
by Eighthours » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:31 am

Stu wrote:So stamp duty is stopped for a year....

You won't have to pay it back after a year or something?


After a year, you'll go back to paying it for any property you buy over £125,000.

It's a one-off payment when you buy a house, so under these measures you'll now avoid it completely until 3 Sept 09 for any house you buy under £175,000.

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PostRe: Stamp duty is axed below £175,000
by Hexx » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:31 am

Stu wrote:So stamp duty is stopped for a year....

You won't have to pay it back after a year or something?


Stamp Duty is stopped between £125,000 and £175,000 for a year from tomorrow.. (Although there isn't any below £125,000 anyway)

Seems to be stopped entirely, not just deferred until a later date.

Next year is back to normal

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PostRe: Stamp duty is axed below £175,000
by Hexx » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:49 am

The more I'm reading this (I hadn't spotted the loans where only on new builds) the even less I'm impressed.

It seems more and more (shocking from this government) like a very short term action taken to be seen to be doing something, rather than for any long term benefit to the situation.

I'd be interested to see these "fees/charges" after 5 years - and any qualifying conditions for a loan. If CoupleA can't get/afford a 90% mortgage, getting a 70% mortgage and a 20% "loan" isn't much better - especially if the cost of the loan massively increase in 5 years.

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PostRe: Stamp duty is axed below £175,000
by Eighthours » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:51 am

Hexx wrote:(I hadn't spotted the loans where only on new builds)


Me neither. Well, that's bollocks then.

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PostRe: Stamp duty is axed below £175,000
by Hexx » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:53 am

Eighthours wrote:
Hexx wrote:(I hadn't spotted the loans where only on new builds)


Me neither. Well, that's bollocks then.


It's clearly designed to try and help boost the house building market, and reduce the current hemorrhaging of jobs...

I can't decide if I think it will work or not...

(And I've got to write an opinion piece by this afternoon! Balls!)

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by Something Fishy » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:04 am

Eighthours wrote:These measures are going to get first time buyers interested again in buying houses, but the only reasons they weren't in the past couple of months were because the Government had dangled the carrot of this stamp duty thing without saying what it would be, which effectively paralysed the market, and because of the shithouse nature of current mortgage deals. None of the measures announced address the latter.

Also, this loans thing sounds like a bit of a disaster waiting to happen. First time buyers have enough trouble finding their monthly mortgage payments at the moment, let alone having to service a loan at the same time. This is going to stoke up MAJOR problems come 2013 onwards.


Horribly selfish but I must personally admit I'm happy if they can keep things a little more settled until 2011 as that's when my endowments mature. Things getting much worse and we'll have to find more to cover the shortfall.

Anything they can do to help new buyers must be a plus. Working in social housing it'd be good if they find more funds for us to meet the desperate need in areas like this also.

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PostRe: Stamp duty is axed below £175,000
by Hexx » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:08 am

something fishy wrote:Horribly selfish but I must personally admit I'm happy if they can keep things a little more settled until 2011 as that's when my endowments mature. Things getting much worse and we'll have to find more to cover the shortfall.

Anything they can do to help new buyers must be a plus. Working in social housing it'd be good if they find more funds for us to meet the desperate need in areas like this also.


Ooo. Endowments. What fun. (I'm serious too.. :( )

Can I ask?

Sum? Term? Requried target growth?

You getting green/yellow(or orange)/red letters?

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by Something Fishy » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:14 am

Hexx wrote:
something fishy wrote:Horribly selfish but I must personally admit I'm happy if they can keep things a little more settled until 2011 as that's when my endowments mature. Things getting much worse and we'll have to find more to cover the shortfall.

Anything they can do to help new buyers must be a plus. Working in social housing it'd be good if they find more funds for us to meet the desperate need in areas like this also.


Ooo. Endowments. What fun. (I'm serious too.. :( )

Can I ask?

Sum? Term? Requried target growth?

You getting green/yellow(or orange)/red letters?


They are "With Profits". Not sure which of those applies. Term I think?

They're 22 years old, so getting near that point.

Not sure on the colour but we are definitely getting a shortfall. Last year it ranged from 4 to 8 thousand. We have that covered with ISA's. No doubt will be a bit more than that as things are.

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PostRe: Stamp duty is axed below £175,000
by Hexx » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:18 am

something fishy wrote:
Hexx wrote:
something fishy wrote:Horribly selfish but I must personally admit I'm happy if they can keep things a little more settled until 2011 as that's when my endowments mature. Things getting much worse and we'll have to find more to cover the shortfall.

Anything they can do to help new buyers must be a plus. Working in social housing it'd be good if they find more funds for us to meet the desperate need in areas like this also.


Ooo. Endowments. What fun. (I'm serious too.. :( )

Can I ask?

Sum? Term? Requried target growth?

You getting green/yellow(or orange)/red letters?


They are "With Profits". Not sure which of those applies. Term I think?

They're 22 years old, so getting near that point.

Not sure on the colour but we are definitely getting a shortfall. Last year it ranged from 4 to 8 thousand. We have that covered with ISA's. No doubt will be a bit more than that as things are.



Sum = Target Sum
Term = period (22 years).

Ooofff. With Profits. (Not a fan of those personally - do you know the current bonus rates?)

You'd be getting red letters then I expect..:(

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by Something Fishy » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:23 am

Hexx wrote:
something fishy wrote:
Sum = Target Sum
Term = period (22 years).

Ooofff. With Profits. (Not a fan of those personally - do you know the current bonus rates?)

You'd be getting red letters then I expect..:(


Ahh gottya.

Sum = 33K (now we owe 29 now and are paying chunks each year).

Term = 25 years. 3 to go.

With profits as not a great option. It was sold to Helen back in the eighties when many of these were mis-sold. Sadly it was through a broker so she got no come-back.

Not sure exactly on bonus rates but it looks like it projected to increase the fund by a good chunk looking at the past 10 years performance as we've tracked them.

Still, we're not looking too bad really. Most will be covered and if we're left with a few grand shortfall that's not a big worry. Our house will have increased a lot in value even if they crash by 50%.

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PostRe: Stamp duty is axed below £175,000
by Hexx » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:27 am

something fishy wrote:Sum = 33K (now we owe 29 now and are paying chunks each year).


Good boy

Term = 25 years. 3 to go.


Ah.

With profits as not a great option. It was sold to Helen back in the eighties when many of these were mis-sold. Sadly it was through a broker so she got no come-back.


With Profits were a good idea then - it you assumed that "things would only get better" and any downturns would be short.

You may have the option if you think it was mis-sold through a broker. As this would be in 1986 it's before the regulation Act though so you'd be rejected pretty quick.

Not sure exactly on bonus rates but it looks like it projected to increase the fund by a good chunk looking at the past 10 years performance as we've tracked them.


Hm. That's odd. Most WithProfit Bonuses seem to be 0% or very low at the moment...terminal bonus maybe?

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by Something Fishy » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:40 am

Yep, terminal bonus. There seems to be a fairly big chunk getting paid in these and it is still projected to do so. Annual payments have been minute.

To be honest, it's such a low mortgage level for today's world that i don't worry about it too much. When we get there if we have some shortfall I'll just get a loan to cover it and pay that as if it were a mortgage for a short while. We did buy the house for 47 and had a second (repayment) mortgage. We got rid of that early so it's really not a bad situation. I count my blessings.

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PostRe: Stamp duty is axed below £175,000
by Midtown » Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:15 pm

Suspending stamp duty for a small number of people will have very limited effect on the market, if any effect at all. John Major did the exact same thing in 1992 and house sales continued to fall.

The market needs to correct itself and the less the government tinkers with it, the more able it will be to function.

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PostRe: Stamp duty is axed below £175,000
by Iron Nan » Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:18 pm

This doesn't sound as though it'll have any real effect at all. :(

I'm fine with the prices falling, that's gotta be good for shifting houses surely it's the mortage market that is strawberry floating everything up? I read in the paper the othe rday that you needed a £40'000+ deposit now to get a mortage for a £140'000 house, or something to that effect, can't remember the exact figures.

I've been trying to save money in the hope that I'll be able to afford a small aprtment on a part buy.rent scheme or something but it's a slow process. :(

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PostRe: Stamp duty is axed below £175,000
by Hexx » Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:20 pm

IRON NAN wrote: I read in the paper the othe rday that you needed a £40'000+ deposit now to get a mortage for a £14'000 house, or something to that effect, can't remember the exact figures


Only from "Dodgy-as-fuck Loans" Ltd.

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PostRe: Stamp duty is axed below £175,000
by Hexx » Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:49 pm

I love that when questioned about how this is being paid for we get the line that hundreds of millions were put aside in the last budget.

I'm guessing that we're supposed to respond by saying how wonderful Labour are having been put money aside in the good times!

I don't remember that in the budget....a rewrite of history?

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PostRe: Stamp duty is axed below £175,000
by Balloon Sod » Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:47 pm

As I live in Stoke and the 3 bedroom house I am currently renting is worth about £60,000, this doesn't bother me so much.


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