The Star Wars Thread - *NO SPOILERS*

Alvin Flummux wrote:

BID0 wrote:

Dual wrote:

BID0 wrote:The last episode was awful

No it wasn't.

Literally the worst of them all unless these next two change the context of it and it turns out to be a hidden masterpiece

Worse than "I hate sand, it's coarse and rough and gets everywhere"?

Yup. At least it had a story to tell (however badly it did that)

Wow I've never heard anyone Express the belief that force awakens was the worst Star Wars film. Each to their own. Personally I enjoyed it and have no issues with the next one following a similar feel.

BID0 wrote:

Dual wrote:

BID0 wrote:The last episode was awful

No it wasn't.

Literally the worst of them all unless these next two change the context of it and it turns out to be a hidden masterpiece

Is it 1 April today?

I think that The Last Jedi will be just fine if the director and producers can steer far enough away from making it a retread of ESB.

BID0 wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:

BID0 wrote:

Dual wrote:

BID0 wrote:The last episode was awful

No it wasn't.

Literally the worst of them all unless these next two change the context of it and it turns out to be a hidden masterpiece

Worse than "I hate sand, it's coarse and rough and gets everywhere"?

Yup. At least it had a story to tell (however badly it did that)

The hyperbole is strong with this one.

New movie announcement this summer, maybe? It might be for one focusing on Boba Fett or Obi-Wan Kenobi.



That voice. Still though, more Kenobi and Fett can only be a good thing. Hoping for an Ahsoka movie at some point, too, and then a Vader one, interspersed with new stories.

BID0 wrote:The trailer, and this...



Do not fill me with confidence.

Very odd thing to say in public.

The Watching Artist wrote:

BID0 wrote:The trailer, and this...



Do not fill me with confidence.

Very odd thing to say in public.

He does seem like an odd person though.

I really think that Hamill should have been given a say in the direction of his character's story.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:

The Watching Artist wrote:

BID0 wrote:The trailer, and this...



Do not fill me with confidence.

Very odd thing to say in public.

He does seem like an odd person though.

Perhaps but I like that he felt strongly enough to speak his mind. (Hamill as well )

Alvin Flummux wrote:I really think that Hamill should have been given a say in the direction of his character's story.

Yeah. Without Lucas involved you'd like to think they would take on board the opinion of one of the other creators of the character.

The Watching Artist wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:I really think that Hamill should have been given a say in the direction of his character's story.

Yeah. Without Lucas involved you'd like to think they would take on board the opinion of one of the other creators of the character.

Now I'm having a little panic about the film. I hope that when they make the last one, Episode IX, that they'll give him a chance to put his opinions out there.

I sort of agree with what Bido said in a fundamental way (I'm not a fundamentalist though). Both the best and the worst thing you can say about The Force Awakens is that George Lucas didn't do it.

In a positive way, this means they were always probably going to avoid most of the flaws that blighted the prequels.

But in a negative way, I dunno, part of would liked to have seen where Lucas took his story. You can definitely tell - in a good and bad way - that it wasn't Lucas' plot. They didn't do anything risky or anything that would upset fans but, like, they didn't do anything risky. The story was as safe as they could possibly go. The other six episodes felt like distinct chapters in a saga, whereas TFA felt like a re-telling. For obvious reasons, they decided a reintroduction or soft reboot was necessary, so I guess it can't be helped. But an Episode 7 made by George Lucas would have probably been a lot bolder, at least in terms of plot. TFA also felt a little "designed" by a committee or group of people and lacked a touch of singular focus that comes when something is borne of one creative vision.

As I said, we definitely gained some things by having a non-Lucas episode - the dialogue was much improved, visually it looked great and I really like the new characters and think they fit in the saga quite well. I just wish the story (so far) had been a bit more interesting. Post-ROTJ, and free from the restrictive SW canon that had accumulated, they could have taken it in any number of new, interesting directions. So for them to basically remake A New Hope for a new generation was a little disappointing, although the execution and characters did at least make it an enjoyable watch. But I will never watch TFA and have my attention held by its plot. It's fun in a minute-by-minute sense and I am interested where episode 8 takes things, but I think Episode 7 has a throwaway forgettable narrative that is forgiven because it wasn't a trainwreck and wasn't the prequels.

It's sort of like when an author or creator of a long-running series dies and an installment has to be finished by someone else. There's always the sense of an "other" behind it, and a slight longing to see where the original mind would have taken its own creation. As we're taking about Lucas, that missed opportunity to have him write his own sequel trilogy is also tempered by the fact that it also freed the current films from some of his more (general) grievous mistakes.

BID0 wrote:

Dual wrote:

BID0 wrote:The last episode was awful

No it wasn't.

Literally the worst of them all unless these next two change the context of it and it turns out to be a hidden masterpiece

That video, hmmmm

I can see Luke finally giving up on light and dark sides and just embracing the force as one thing, then perhaps joining Ren to finish his training

strawberry float it, I want the next episode dark as strawberry float, if that means dark Luke ( he was nearly there in ROTJ anyway) then so be it...jedi.

Ad7 wrote:That video, hmmmm

I can see Luke finally giving up on light and dark sides and just embracing the force as one thing, then perhaps joining Ren to finish his training

strawberry float it, I want the next episode dark as strawberry float, if that means dark Luke ( he was nearly there in ROTJ anyway) then so be it...jedi.

It's difficult trying to second guess Mark Hamill - does he want Luke to be dark and has been disappointed, or does he believe Luke should have been a good guy

I agree with you, I want dark Luke. I think the reason he has isolated himself is because he knows how close he always runs to succumbing to the dark side (plus it happened to Ren).

In that trailer, when he says the Jedi need to end...

My main problem with Luke turning to the dark side is I feel that it would retrospectively hurt the end of Return of the Jedi.

"I'll never turn to the dark side. I am a Jedi like my father before me. Except when they make Episode VIII."

sawyerpip wrote:My main problem with Luke turning to the dark side is I feel that it would retrospectively hurt the end of Return of the Jedi.

"I'll never turn to the dark side. I am a Jedi like my father before me. Except when they make Episode VIII."

I hadn't thought of that. Good point.

It's also made me realise that the 'prophecy' about Anakin bringing balance to the force - which he effectively did at the end of RotJ - has also been undone by the existence of events in VII.

sawyerpip wrote:My main problem with Luke turning to the dark side is I feel that it would retrospectively hurt the end of Return of the Jedi.

"I'll never turn to the dark side. I am a Jedi like my father before me. Except when they make Episode VIII."

It already happened in the EU anyway.

Poser wrote:It's also made me realise that the 'prophecy' about Anakin bringing balance to the force - which he effectively did at the end of RotJ - has also been undone by the existence of events in VII.

How did killing the Emperor and turning from the Dark side bring balance to the force?

Unless, he brought balance by getting rid of the Jedi and the Sith, this is why the Jedi have to end. If that's the case then its not being undone by the events in the new film, just finished off.

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I've now got this on my desk