The Star Wars Thread - *NO SPOILERS*

Don't worry, it'll make a massive amount of money. Maybe not at the same level as an Episode film, but it'll turn a hefty profit.

Whereas I think this film looks great and I hope this one does take a shed load of money, I kinda hope the rest of the spin offs in the 'A Star Wars story' name, start to fail. I think having a Star Wars movie every year, and saturate the franchise name, is a bad idea by Disney.

Gandalf wrote:Whereas I think this film looks great and I hope this one does take a shed load of money, I kinda hope the rest of the spin offs in the 'A Star Wars story' name, start to fail. I think having a Star Wars movie every year, and saturate the franchise name, is a bad idea by Disney.

I think it depends on how they approach the side films. If they those films are different enough to the main trilogy in theme and tone I don't see why it'll be a problem. Marvel have been pumping out 2 films a year for ages in their Universe for ages now and it hasn't hurt their franchise critically or commercially at all. The opposite in fact.

Tomous wrote:

Gandalf wrote:Whereas I think this film looks great and I hope this one does take a shed load of money, I kinda hope the rest of the spin offs in the 'A Star Wars story' name, start to fail. I think having a Star Wars movie every year, and saturate the franchise name, is a bad idea by Disney.

I think it depends on how they approach the side films. If they those films are different enough to the main trilogy in theme and tone I don't see why it'll be a problem. Marvel have been pumping out 2 films a year for ages in their Universe for ages now and it hasn't hurt their franchise critically or commercially at all. The opposite in fact.

See? You've used Marvel as an example, and I have to say I'm completely bored of all these Super Hero films that are flooding the market. I love Star Wars and would hate to see myself feeling the same way over the Marvel stuff.

I'm still massively dissappointed they're changing the plot of the death star plans by not having Kyle Katarn as the main character. I guess it's because they don't want to bother following the rest of his story, but it's sad because he's a boss.

Gandalf wrote:Whereas I think this film looks great and I hope this one does take a shed load of money, I kinda hope the rest of the spin offs in the 'A Star Wars story' name, start to fail. I think having a Star Wars movie every year, and saturate the franchise name, is a bad idea by Disney.

Star Wars is already the most overly saturated brand in the world, an annual film isn't going to have much impact on that.

Gandalf wrote:Whereas I think this film looks great and I hope this one does take a shed load of money, I kinda hope the rest of the spin offs in the 'A Star Wars story' name, start to fail. I think having a Star Wars movie every year, and saturate the franchise name, is a bad idea by Disney.

Disney paid billions of dollars for the Star Wars franchise. There is no way they are not going to pump out at least one movie a year.

As long as the films are good, does it matter if there are lots of them?

Moggy wrote:

Gandalf wrote:Whereas I think this film looks great and I hope this one does take a shed load of money, I kinda hope the rest of the spin offs in the 'A Star Wars story' name, start to fail. I think having a Star Wars movie every year, and saturate the franchise name, is a bad idea by Disney.

Disney paid billions of dollars for the Star Wars franchise. There is no way they are not going to pump out at least one movie a year.

As long as the films are good, does it matter if there are lots of them?

Yeah I've never understood the pre complaining about the Star Wars films being out every year. We have no idea if they are going to suffer quality wise or not yet. I love that I get to see one every year, that's awesome.

Then again I've never understood why people get annoyed at remakes or reimagining of a film either. The original still exists, I just treat the new one as a new film.

Preezy wrote:

Gandalf wrote:Whereas I think this film looks great and I hope this one does take a shed load of money, I kinda hope the rest of the spin offs in the 'A Star Wars story' name, start to fail. I think having a Star Wars movie every year, and saturate the franchise name, is a bad idea by Disney.

Star Wars is already the most overly saturated brand in the world, an annual film isn't going to have much impact on that.

I think the two things are certainly tied in. The exposure in the shops, with Star Wars on so many products, is tiring, and it muddies the waters in terms of being able to identify which film is coming out and when (to the general, stupid public.)

A group of my friends have started a small competition to see who can find the most ridiculous Star Wars branded item.

This was always a classic example:



I was trying to explain the sequencing to my wife (who cares not a jot, but was admirably feigning interest to humour me.)

"OK, so there are the three films I grew up with, 4, 5 and 6. They're great. Then there are the prequels - 1,2 and 3, which are pretty terrible. That's the one you saw, with the little boy and the pod race and Darth Maul. Ok, then they brought out 7 last Christmas, and you saw some of that but fell asleep. Anyway, now they are bringing out spin off films, so the one this Christmas, chronologically, is kinda 3.5, but has all different characters in..."


Don't get me wrong, it looks great and I'm very excited, but too many films and products leads to over saturation leads to boredom, boredom leads to ambivalence, ambivalence leads to hatred, and we all know where hatred leads.

Poser wrote:and we all know where hatred leads.

Milton Keynes?

Moggy wrote:

Poser wrote:and we all know where hatred leads.

Milton Keynes?

Yes.

Those strawberry floating roundabouts

Moggy wrote:

Poser wrote:and we all know where hatred leads.

Milton Keynes?

Come on Moggy it is Swindon

But apparently they have an iMax there now, so maybe Star Wars will make me make that awful trip

Zartan wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Poser wrote:and we all know where hatred leads.

Milton Keynes?

Come on Moggy it is Swindon

But apparently they have an iMax there now, so maybe Star Wars will make me make that awful trip

Ahh hatred of Swindon, one of the few things that unite City and Rovers fans.

I think, marketing wise, the film is a stupid idea.

They spent ages pushing the "new" saga - new characters, new groups, new generation...

And then this is a step back...back BEFORE the beloved originals, with no recognizable characters and telling an untold story no one asked and (unless there's something in there we don't know ) has no effect on the exciting new world they've been promoting.

People on the street aren't familiar with "A Star Wars Story" type films yet - most will be thinking this Episode 8 and very confused I expected. "Young Han Solo" makes it clear what it is. "Untoled Prequel to 2 trilogies ago" is much more confusing.

Hexx wrote:I think, marketing wise, the film is a stupid idea.

They spent ages pushing the "new" saga - new characters, new groups, new generation...

And then this is a step back...back BEFORE the beloved originals, with no recognizable characters and telling an untold story no one asked and (unless there's something in there we don't know ) has no effect on the exciting new world they've been promoting.

People on the street aren't familiar with "A Star Wars Story" type films yet - most will be thinking this Episode 8 and very confused I expected. "Young Han Solo" makes it clear what it is. "Untoled Prequel to 2 trilogies ago" is much more confusing.

I can't imagine it is going to be that confusing to tell people "This is a film set just before A New Hope - it has Darth Vader" and then make a strawberry float load of money.

Well the fact theyre calling it Rogue One: A Star Wars Story should be punters first clue its not the next one in the new trilogy. The whole point of it is that it doesnt impact the new trilogy, its a side story that is optional viewing, aimed more at their core fan base than the mainline movies are. I dont think its that hard to communicate what this is and I havent heard of anyone being confused by it.

I sort of agree with Hexx a little, as personally I would rather they got the Episode films out of the way first before starting with spin offs.

My other fear with the spin offs is that, at the moment, they are all just filling in bits in the original trilogy.

We don't need to be told everything. I don't think we need to see a young Han Solo to get more of a grasp of his character. Not every little bit of backstory or plot gap needs to be broadly filled in. I'm sure most Star Wars fans have come up with stuff in their imagination to fill those gaps.

And there's also saturation. I watched all of the first few Marvel films on release. However now they come a bit too thick and fast for my liking with about two or three a year.

I'm not a comic book fan at all, but it's just a bit too much like an efficient movie-making machine, and they often feel like the product of a committee or that they exist just to push the universe or "phase" forward. I've grown a bit tired of them being produce to serve a big boardroom plan that will span all the way up to the 33rd Century when Earth President Donald Trump Jr Jr Jr (who'd have known the first one would live so long, presumably because he already seemed to be covered in preserving nectar from the age of about 65).

I sort of miss the time when they were self-contained fun throwaway movies. Now, if I miss one at the cinema (Civil War) I sort of lose a lot of interest in the future ones due to being other of the loop.

And I have no real desire to see Civil War now because, you know, a lot of those characters are in a lot of similar movies already.

I quite like the SW movies being events too. Not yearly events but, you know, I can definitely remember the first time I saw four of them at the cinema. There's only been 7 such times in nearly 40 years. The marketing and merchandising before an Episode comes out is a bit much, but they are genuine events.

I really don't want the series to be stretched out and made into a conveyor belt of movies made to simply keep the Star Wars machine going, and to keep feeding and bloating that universe.

If they've got to make them, why not go for a completely different time period and a whole new group of characters? Not as easy to market probably but potentially more innovative and exciting, rather than stop gaps in a story we already know.

I sort of like Lucas' approach to it, when he said he wouldn't do future films as Star Wars was Anakin's story. Whilst it could be argued that he messed half of it up, at least it was a semi-thought out plan. And while Disney will never let this happen, you know, sometimes it's nice for stories to just...have an end.

Parksey wrote:We don't need to be told everything. I don't think we need to see a young Han Solo to get more of a grasp of his character. Not every little bit of backstory or plot gap needs to be broadly filled in. I'm sure most Star Wars fans have come up with stuff in their imagination to fill those gaps.

Good post. Strongly agree, especially with that bit.

But... you do still get people (not intelligent people, I'll grant you) going "but why are Han and Leia separated? Why hasn't this been explained? Herp-de-derp-de-doo..."

And, I guess, when it comes to making money, Disney knows know bounds. I'm not backlashing yet, and Rogue looks outstanding, but I fear it could come.

Preezy wrote:

Gandalf wrote:Whereas I think this film looks great and I hope this one does take a shed load of money, I kinda hope the rest of the spin offs in the 'A Star Wars story' name, start to fail. I think having a Star Wars movie every year, and saturate the franchise name, is a bad idea by Disney.

Star Wars is already the most overly saturated brand in the world, an annual film isn't going to have much impact on that.

I meant in movie terms.

I know Star Wars is already a saturated brand (from Y-Fronts to strawberry floating Satsuma's!)

Bit of a random thing I was wondering about, was who is doing the music to Rogue one, I doubted it would be John Williams, and no it is not, but what is worrying, is they changed it to Michael Giacchino in September because of all the reshoots. He who did nuTrek, and Doctor Strange (that sounds like nuTrek)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-v ... ces-929387

really am crossing my fingers (please don't be gooseberry fool, please don't be gooseberry fool)