STAR WARS: The Force Awakens Thread (All discussion and spoilers in here)

Seen most of the previous films I think once. Just the same story as other films. Can't remember which one. Film is very well polished though for the new generation of kids.

I thoroughly enjoyed the film, including the old and new characters even if some elements where a bit samey and look forward to the next one.

Saw it again tonight. Still love it. Do find Reys voice a bit grating though.

One thing I don't get though is is the old guy at the start who po gets the map from supposed to be someone from the original films? Or maybe a character from the extended universe or somethings?

He's Max von Sydow!!

Agree about Rey's voice, borders on Keira Knightley levels of annoyingly British. Looks a bit like her too which doesn't help.

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:Saw it again tonight. Still love it. Do find Reys voice a bit grating though.

One thing I don't get though is is the old guy at the start who po gets the map from supposed to be someone from the original films? Or maybe a character from the extended universe or somethings?

I'm hoping that they'll do a stand-alone film featuring him, bridging the gap between RoTJ and TFA. According to his IMDb page, his character's name is Lor San Tekka.

Regarding the theories about Luke and Kylo Ren, and how Rey might be connected. The current leading idea being that Rey is related to them somehow and that Ren's actions in destroying Luke's training programme led to Rey's being alone on Jakku. (Not sure about the timeline though. Rey seems to have been on Jakku for at least a decade, we're not sure just how long Luke has been gone, it could have been a decade but if his disappearance was caused by Kylo Ren, he doesn't seem accomplished enough or old enough to have been )

I had a thought about this last night. Let's assume the connection between Luke and Rey is a familial one (explaining the lightsaber flashback/vision). Given Han and Leia's conversations in TFA it's unlikely they have more than one child - if Rey gets revealed to be their daughter & Ren's brother then I feel the trilogy overall would be criticised for the way they've handled this, had the Solo parents openly chat about their son but never mention their daughter even though there's absolutely no reason to have done so. So I think it's more likely that Rey is related to the Solo-Skywalker tree through Luke. (I doubt very, very much that she's related to any Kenobi.)

There's undoubtedly a reaction by Kylo Ren when they speak of 'the girl', suggesting he's aware of a relation. There's also an apparently familiarity with Snoke in the way Solo and Leia speak of him. Now I know that there are plenty of people who are hoping that these new movies, even if they don't directly disprove or undo the prequel trilogy, might deliberately not refer to them, so that viewers can choose whether or not to discount Episodes I - III. But I suspect that some themes from the prequels will surface - namely that of the Jedi code and the general not having of children.

Here's my theory, then:

- As of the end of Episode VI, Luke is the last Jedi. Peace has returned to the galaxy.
- In order to maintain balance and fight against possible remnants of the Empire, Luke is encouraged to discover the secrets of the Jedi in order to learn as much as he possibly can, become a master, and educate a new generation. He discovers many secret places in the galaxy.
- However as he's a hero and a legend and a young man it seems fair to suggest that in the thirty years between E6 & E7, antics occur. Luke, not fully versed in Jedi code, unknowingly breaches it and he and his (unknown) lady give us Rey, a younger cousin for Ben Solo. All is well.
- Luke then finds the First Jedi Temple, and learns of the Jedi code. He is mortified to learn that he has broken it and followed in the footsteps of his father. He regrets his transgressions and fears destiny is toying with him, pushing him down the same path as Vader. However he vows to serve the light and commences training a new generation of Jedi.
- Although Han is not strong with the force and Leia is nowhere near as strong as her father or brother, their son shows an incredible aptitude for it. Without someone similarly strong in the force to guide him, however, he becomes interested in powers that are not suitable for a Jedi, and seeks out this knowledge for himself. Han and Leia grow concerned.
- Luke's Jedi padawans become stronger with the force. But as always, the force balances, and this notable increase in the power of the light leads to an awakening in the Dark Side. This somehow results in Snoke and his killing of Luke's woman. Horrified and heartbroken, Luke no longer trusts himself not to repeat his father's mistakes. He leaves Rey on Jakku, far away from the force, asking Lor San Tekka to watch over her, as Obi Wan watched over he.
- Leia and Han are horrified at Luke's decision, but Leia discovers Rey's whereabouts and receives assurances from Lor San Tekka that she is safe. Rey grows up on Jakku, without knowing or remembering her family.
- Luke distances himself from them entirely and devotes his life to the training of the next generation of Jedi. Han and Leia ask Luke to train Ben. They fear that without a Jedi to show him the right ways of the force, he will succumb to the dark side. Luke is reluctant, and not sure that he trusts himself to guide the boy, but feeling guilt for having left Rey behind, agrees to do it. Ben, however, has begun his training far later than the other padawans. Ben is told that his cousin died with her mother during the attack by Snoke.
- During his years of training, Ben asks his uncle many times about Anakin and his powers. Luke condemns his father and encourages Ben to focus on the light and to try to ignore the powers of the dark side. Han and Leia grow apart.
- However, Snoke manages to find Skywalker and tells Ben that he has been lied to, and his cousin is alive and well. Ben, furious, is manipulated by Snoke and has his revenge on Luke. The padawans flee or are killed. Luke, despondant, goes into hiding. Wounded by the news of his son, Han also flees.
- During the years of Luke's absence, Snoke and Ben (now Ren) search for his whereabouts. But so too does Leia, confident that if she can find her brother and convince him to forgive himself, he can turn Ben back from the dark side and defeat Snoke's new First Order.

One hour til I see this at the Imax.

So excited to see it again!

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353 Dan.s until Christmas! wrote:Regarding the theories about Luke and Kylo Ren, and how Rey might be connected. The current leading idea being that Rey is related to them somehow and that Ren's actions in destroying Luke's training programme led to Rey's being alone on Jakku. (Not sure about the timeline though. Rey seems to have been on Jakku for at least a decade, we're not sure just how long Luke has been gone, it could have been a decade but if his disappearance was caused by Kylo Ren, he doesn't seem accomplished enough or old enough to have been )

I had a thought about this last night. Let's assume the connection between Luke and Rey is a familial one (explaining the lightsaber flashback/vision). Given Han and Leia's conversations in TFA it's unlikely they have more than one child - if Rey gets revealed to be their daughter & Ren's brother then I feel the trilogy overall would be criticised for the way they've handled this, had the Solo parents openly chat about their son but never mention their daughter even though there's absolutely no reason to have done so. So I think it's more likely that Rey is related to the Solo-Skywalker tree through Luke. (I doubt very, very much that she's related to any Kenobi.)

There's undoubtedly a reaction by Kylo Ren when they speak of 'the girl', suggesting he's aware of a relation. There's also an apparently familiarity with Snoke in the way Solo and Leia speak of him. Now I know that there are plenty of people who are hoping that these new movies, even if they don't directly disprove or undo the prequel trilogy, might deliberately not refer to them, so that viewers can choose whether or not to discount Episodes I - III. But I suspect that some themes from the prequels will surface - namely that of the Jedi code and the general not having of children.

Here's my theory, then:
- As of the end of Episode VI, Luke is the last Jedi. Peace has returned to the galaxy.
- In order to maintain balance and fight against possible remnants of the Empire, Luke is encouraged to discover the secrets of the Jedi in order to learn as much as he possibly can, become a master, and educate a new generation. He discovers many secret places in the galaxy.
- However as he's a hero and a legend and a young man it seems fair to suggest that in the thirty years between E6 & E7, antics occur. Luke, not fully versed in Jedi code, unknowingly breaches it and he and his (unknown) lady give us Rey, a younger cousin for Ben Solo. All is well.
- Luke then finds the First Jedi Temple, and learns of the Jedi code. He is mortified to learn that he has broken it and followed in the footsteps of his father. He regrets his transgressions and fears destiny is toying with him, pushing him down the same path as Vader. However he vows to serve the light and commences training a new generation of Jedi.
- Although Han is not strong with the force and Leia is nowhere near as strong as her father or brother, their son shows an incredible aptitude for it. Without someone similarly strong in the force to guide him, however, he becomes interested in powers that are not suitable for a Jedi, and seeks out this knowledge for himself. Han and Leia grow concerned.
- Luke's Jedi padawans become stronger with the force. But as always, the force balances, and this notable increase in the power of the light leads to an awakening in the Dark Side. This somehow results in Snoke and his killing of Luke's woman. Horrified and heartbroken, Luke no longer trusts himself not to repeat his father's mistakes. He leaves Rey on Jakku, far away from the force, asking Lor San Tekka to watch over her, as Obi Wan watched over he.
- Leia and Han are horrified at Luke's decision, but Leia discovers Rey's whereabouts and receives assurances from Lor San Tekka that she is safe. Rey grows up on Jakku, without knowing or remembering her family.
- Luke distances himself from them entirely and devotes his life to the training of the next generation of Jedi. Han and Leia ask Luke to train Ben. They fear that without a Jedi to show him the right ways of the force, he will succumb to the dark side. Luke is reluctant, and not sure that he trusts himself to guide the boy, but feeling guilt for having left Rey behind, agrees to do it. Ben, however, has begun his training far later than the other padawans. Ben is told that his cousin died with her mother during the attack by Snoke.
- During his years of training, Ben asks his uncle many times about Anakin and his powers. Luke condemns his father and encourages Ben to focus on the light and to try to ignore the powers of the dark side. Han and Leia grow apart.
- However, Snoke manages to find Skywalker and tells Ben that he has been lied to, and his cousin is alive and well. Ben, furious, is manipulated by Snoke and has his revenge on Luke. The padawans flee or are killed. Luke, despondant, goes into hiding. Wounded by the news of his son, Han also flees.
- During the years of Luke's absence, Snoke and Ben (now Ren) search for his whereabouts. But so too does Leia, confident that if she can find her brother and convince him to forgive himself, he can turn Ben back from the dark side and defeat Snoke's new First Order.

Heh, decent theory. I'd watch that.

Preezy wrote:Agree about Rey's voice, borders on Keira Knightley levels of annoyingly British. Looks a bit like her too which doesn't help.

Keira Knightly played Padme's double, Padme is Luke's mother so if Rey is Luke's daughter that actually makes sense.

If Kylo Ren eventually turns good I will be majorly disappointed, make him a really good villain or just kill him off. None of this turning to the light pish.

He'll no doubt redeem himself by dying.

KB wrote:If Kylo Ren eventually turns good I will be majorly disappointed, make him a really good villain or just kill him off. None of this turning to the light pish.

I would be too, but if they did redeem him and it felt earned, that would be pretty impressive given he killed Han bloody Solo! Ren is a different kind of strawberry floated up to Vader though, Vader was always gravitated toward the light when it came to his family in the OT, Ren straight up killed his father.

TV Dinner wrote:
Preezy wrote:Agree about Rey's voice, borders on Keira Knightley levels of annoyingly British. Looks a bit like her too which doesn't help.

Keira Knightly played Padme's double, Padme is Luke's mother so if Rey is Luke's daughter that actually makes sense.

Luke went missing. Rey's family left and didn't come back, possibly at the same time? Seems to link up pretty good!

Has it been explained why Leia wasn't trained by luke?
After ROTJ it was implied she'd take up the training.

LewisD wrote:Has it been explained why Leia wasn't trained by luke?
After ROTJ it was implied she'd take up the training.

She was a former member of the Galactic Senate, so I always kind of assumed that she'd go for Chancellor.

Cool Jedi with bitching wicked powers, or politician?

Tough choice! :lol:

LewisD wrote:Cool Jedi with bitching wicked powers, or politician?

Tough choice!

Trade deals are very important.

I only realised whilst watching the film for the second time yesterday that Kylo Rens real name was Ben.

LewisD wrote:Cool Jedi with bitching wicked powers, or politician?

Tough choice!

Doing something that she clearly isn't trained for, without the guidance of any of the old Jedi masters, or presiding over the resurrection of democracy - doing what you grew up dreaming of doing? Man, tough choice.

This is a woman who was raised from mere hours or days after her birth by Bail Organa, the Senator (or King?) from Alderaan. Politics, pomp and ceremony, up to a certain point in her life, was all she knew. Now, with Bail being strongly sympathetic to the various rebel movements, she was obviously raised to question authority (at least on a personal level), so it seems to me that she has tasted both edges of the blade. But, even if she's handy with a rifle or carbine in a pinch, we've never seen her get into a close quarters fight, nor do we actually know what she may or may not have learned from Luke when his Jedi academy was up and running.

Let's just see where the films take us.

Ok but for the record, I DO NOT want to see a bloated Carrie Fisher or CGI Carrie Fisher engaging in any Lightsaber battle shenanigans.

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