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by Jamo3103 » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:31 am

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Skippy wrote:I'm surprised by some of the criticism of Luke's death, thought it was beautifully handled. The dual sunset :cry:


I did like that, I think my initial dislike of it was that I wanted a Luke who was an unstoppable force, it's the way I've always envisaged his character developing. Similarly I'd anticipated Snoke as an all powerful bad guy and was anticipating a battle between these two incredibly powerful force users, instead both of them were moved aside to make room for Rey and Kylo. In the long run it makes far more sense for the story, I just didn't expect it to go that way.


Exactly, the film goes out its way to break free of these narrative constructs established by earlier films. It's not interested in people's expectations, just moving the story forward maybe not to make this particular entry something new and different, but to set up for the future films to be so. It's a transitional film for the franchise in a lot of ways.


Yeah I'd agree with that completely, in terms of progression and opening the scope up beyond the Skywalker family and even beyond the new set of heroes (as done with the kid at the end) it makes a lot of sense. It's one of the main reasons why I think on a rewatch my opinion on it will improve dramatically because I'll be going in free of expectations, TFA instantly hit the right buttons because it felt familiar but the more shallow qualities of the film were exposed more with each viewing.

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by Ad7 » Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:43 pm

Watched it first thing this morning.

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I went in totally blind so had no expectations apart from hoping it would be great.

Things I liked:

- Luke. Loved his 'oh just strawberry float off' toss away of the lightsaber. Every time he was on screen it felt like real star wars to me.
- Rey's parents are nobody. Not everyone has to be a skywalker. I suspect at some point her and Ben were supposed to be brother and sister but i'm happy with this.
- Snoke dying. His character wasnt going anywhere unfortunately. It's just a bit cg Andy Serkis with no real depth apart from mostache twirling evilness.
- Snoke telling Ben his mask is gooseberry fool
- Snoke's ship looked great
- The fight in the throne room with Rey and Ben. Like seeing the two of them taking on the guards.
- Craggy island was the first jedi temple. I dont really know why he was at it apart from to read some books apparently but it at least it had purpose beyond just being an island.
- BB8 mimicking the little toaster wheel droid things
- Yoda. Looked like he'd been eating a few force pies but it was semi-well done.

Things I thought were meh:

- The whole plot :lol: . It was essentially the rebels stay a bit out of reach of the first order until they have to stop for petrol. I felt no urgency in it.
- Rey. The actress playing her is alright, but i dont really care about the character.
- Helm's Deep. I get they had to have an obligatory ice bit, which isnt ice but in fact salt as sgt. exposition helpfully spelled out for us because we're all too stupid to work that out. They all just stood behind a giant door.

Things I hated:

- The CG characters. Oh FUUUUUCKKKKK OFF with that gooseberry fool. I thought we were done with all that post-prequels? CG puffins, CG blue milk cows (hey member blue milk!!!!1111), CG horses, CG crystal pokemon deer. Enjoy your new toys kids.
- The CG horse chase. I completely switched off during this. It reminded me of Obi Wan on the back of that dragon. Prequel grade tripe, absolutely awful.
- The casino planet. Wat. Had no purpose beyond a crap joke of BB8 being used as a gambling machine by yet another stupid CG character. strawberry float. OFF.
- Chewbacca getting put off his food by a full frame CG puffin. Why would a wookie get put off his food by that? strawberry float. OFF.
- The whole plot about going to get a code breaker to get passed snoke's shields, but then rey can just get in a millennium coffin and rocket straight in to a landing bay? Maybe Ben let her in, i dont know, but it seemed stupid.
- Leia the magic space fairy. Oh my strawberry floating god. I don't think there's a worse star wars moment, and this is a series with the droid factory in it. Absolutely awful. Urgh. ITS A VACUUM. Oh wait just a bit cold lol wat am i liek lol WHEN YOU WIIIISH UPON A STAAAAAAAARRRRR :dread:
- "This is Maz reporting live from a war, i'm at the front line of some war thing for some reason, and somehow i've got a camera man filming this somehow. Just in case you called you know? This is Maz, BBC space, somewhere. Back to the studio"

I feel so empty after it. I realised it was drawing to a close and I wasnt really enjoying a lot of it. At least the bit with luke at the end looked really cool, even though i'm not sure the continuity error of that lightsaber not being the green one can really just be explained away by him projecting. It'd still be his green one.

Thing is, after TFA i couldn't wait for the next film, absolutely pumped for it. Now I really dont care what happens to these characters :?

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by captain red dog » Sat Dec 16, 2017 4:15 pm

I get people saying how they broke free from the old storyline, but honestly it's Star Wars, if you want to break away from that just start a new franchise, or maybe not call these episodes 7, 8 and 9.

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by Skippy » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:02 pm

captain red dog wrote:I get people saying how they broke free from the old storyline, but honestly it's Star Wars, if you want to break away from that just start a new franchise, or maybe not call these episodes 7, 8 and 9.


So you want them to keep telling the same stories with only slight variations?

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:25 pm

Booked in for 8pm tonight for a second viewing. I'm hoping that I've overthought it and that I'll realise I do love it after all.

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by Godzilla » Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:59 pm

Seeing it again tomorrow at 12pm. Excited for the the beginning and ending, less so about the casino bit.

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by Pedro » Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:45 pm

Saw this in a late show last night. It was empty. As in just me and the missus. That was glorious.

The movie was a mixed bag. Better then FA in many ways but the New era movies are still leaving me a little cold.

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by Alvin Flummux » Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:49 pm

Saw this this morning. Wonderful stuff. Don't think there was a thing I didn't like, except maybe the horse-hound racing creatures - what, pod racing isn't a thing any more?

Apparently IX will have a great big throwback to the prequels in it. I'm thinking that Kylo Ren will probably take up, and make good on, Snoke's threat to use a clone army if Gen. Hux fails (and let's face it, he has failed). I'd hope that the Resistance might do that first, but it's a more First Order-y thing to do.

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by lex-man » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:02 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:Saw this this morning. Wonderful stuff. Don't think there was a thing I didn't like, except maybe the horse-hound racing creatures - what, pod racing isn't a thing any more?

Apparently IX will have a great big throwback to the prequels in it. I'm thinking that Kylo Ren will probably take up, and make good on, Snoke's threat to use a clone army if Gen. Hux fails (and let's face it, he has failed). I'd hope that the Resistance might do that first, but it's a more First Order-y thing to do.


Pod racing is clearly for the red neck star wars characters, CGI horses are for classy aliens.

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by Alvin Flummux » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:05 pm

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Alvin Flummux wrote:Saw this this morning. Wonderful stuff. Don't think there was a thing I didn't like, except maybe the horse-hound racing creatures - what, pod racing isn't a thing any more?

Apparently IX will have a great big throwback to the prequels in it. I'm thinking that Kylo Ren will probably take up, and make good on, Snoke's threat to use a clone army if Gen. Hux fails (and let's face it, he has failed). I'd hope that the Resistance might do that first, but it's a more First Order-y thing to do.


Pod racing is clearly for the red neck star wars characters, CGI horses are for classy aliens.


Jabba the Hutt wasn't no redneck. Bubba the Hutt, on the other hand...

Anyway, if the throwback is clones, maybe that means Boba Fett's gonna make a comeback too. :toot:

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by lex-man » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:07 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:
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Alvin Flummux wrote:Saw this this morning. Wonderful stuff. Don't think there was a thing I didn't like, except maybe the horse-hound racing creatures - what, pod racing isn't a thing any more?

Apparently IX will have a great big throwback to the prequels in it. I'm thinking that Kylo Ren will probably take up, and make good on, Snoke's threat to use a clone army if Gen. Hux fails (and let's face it, he has failed). I'd hope that the Resistance might do that first, but it's a more First Order-y thing to do.


Pod racing is clearly for the red neck star wars characters, CGI horses are for classy aliens.


Jabba the Hutt wasn't no redneck. Bubba the Hutt, on the other hand...

Anyway, if the throwback is clones, maybe that means Boba Fett's gonna make a comeback too. :toot:


Jabba may not be a red neck, but all his muscle is; so he's learnt to keep them happy.

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by captain red dog » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:36 pm

Just got back from seeing it with my nephew. That was really patchy. Great start, then everything on the island, casino etc was utterly boring. The casino in particular was a really poor segment. It came together again for the throne room before some more boring gooseberry fool until salty Hoth.

I'm not sure why this film has escaped the criticism of TFA, it was like a remix of ESB and ROTJ.

There was some absolutely shite acting, Rey had some really stale lines with Luke and that weird looking woman who worked with the purple haired admiral was utterly terrible. Rose was just completely meh.

On the bright side they really brought Kylo Ren back after losing all his heat at the end of TFA. His acting was great as was Mark Hamill and Poe. Finn was great but wasted. Not sure where they will go with episode 9, it feels like they have moved into an odd direction and it didn't really feel like anything was set up. There was certainly no compelling hook. Didn't mind what happened to Snoke, he was a really poor man's Palpatine.

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by Dowbocop » Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:50 pm

I liked it overall. I can see why some bits grated, but I do think it's unfair to deride TFA for being a rehash then slate TLJ for being too different.

The segment on the casino planet was like every bad part of the prequels condensed into one act. Bumbling tomfoolery, dopey looking kids, improbable set pieces, awkward social commentary. It was crap. The only saving grace is how salty the alt-right will be over the Marxist indoctrination of kids by the liberal media...

I can cope with Leia Force pulling herself to the ship. Unexpected, but fight or flight and all that. I thought that her still being alive would be a big reveal in IX which would ultimately turn Ren, but that's obviously not going to happen. I think in hindsight they now wish they'd let her die in that way to be honest, but they weren't to know.

I really liked Luke teaching Rey. Lots of interesting stuff came out about the nature of the Force and the Jedi.

The space battles were awesome. NEW MEGA B-WINGS! Had a proper nerdgasm at that part. The suicide run was great as well. The premise of the chase was a blatantly flawed version of the asteroid siege in Empire, and that's one of the biggest plot holes.

I think IX will be set quite a few years in the future, allowing Leia to die off screen, Rey to train, Finn to find a niche in the resistance, and all those radicalised kids to mature. The First Order will struggle to deal with the uprisings from an inspired populace, and in a panic will start purging the Outer Rim. Final battle, yadda yadda yadda...

It's not perfect, but it's enjoyable.

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by Alvin Flummux » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:12 am

Dowbocop wrote:I can cope with Leia Force pulling herself to the ship. Unexpected, but fight or flight and all that.


Aye. I figure Luke probably tried to unlock some of Leia's Force-using potential while he was setting up his Jedi School, so it really didn't bother me at all. It was actually quite nice to see.

The one element of the film that I came away properly dissatisfied with was Snoke, and the lack of any information at all on his background. I mean, he had no Darth title, so he wasn't Sith, so what and who was he? I can almost smell the Snoke: A Star Wars Story announcement five years in the future.


Looking forward to meeting the rest Knights of Ren in the next episode, as well as finding out what the prequel trilogy throwback will be. I assume clones, but we'll see. Gonna be interesting to find out!

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by Dowbocop » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:31 am

Alvin Flummux wrote:
Dowbocop wrote:I can cope with Leia Force pulling herself to the ship. Unexpected, but fight or flight and all that.


Aye. I figure Luke probably tried to unlock some of Leia's Force-using potential while he was setting up his Jedi School, so it really didn't bother me at all. It was actually quite nice to see.

The one element of the film that I came away properly dissatisfied with was Snoke, and the lack of any information at all on his background. I mean, he had no Darth title, so he wasn't Sith, so what and who was he? I can almost smell the Snoke: A Star Wars Story announcement five years in the future.


Looking forward to meeting the rest Knights of Ren in the next episode, as well as finding out what the prequel trilogy throwback will be. I assume clones, but we'll see. Gonna be interesting to find out!

Oh yeah, and she quite obviously knows how to use the Force because she was sensing all sorts in the last film.

Agreed that Snoke still being a mystery is disappointing. Having said that it was a brave decision to get rid. Not many films would do that to be fair. During that fight I genuinely didn't know which side each person would end up on, which is a first for Star Wars.

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by Alvin Flummux » Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:48 am

The moment when the Resistance cruiser lightspeed-rammed Snoke's capital ship, shattering it, was so strawberry floating cool. I can't think of a single other "holy strawberry float wow" moment from the series that took my breath away like that did.

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by Return_of_the_STAR » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:14 pm

Saw it this morning. Bit busy so can’t give my full reaction but it was amazing. Without a doubt the most joyable Star Wars film yet.

Edit. Can’t believe they killed off Admiral Ackbar :x

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by Skippy » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:11 pm

Six pages and I don't think anyone has mentioned the word 'spunk' yet

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by Oblomov Boblomov » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:27 pm

I'm sure one person did.

I much prefer use of words like spunk in an old fashioned sense to mum jokes...

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by captain red dog » Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:39 pm

Alvin Flummux wrote:Looking forward to meeting the rest Knights of Ren in the next episode, as well as finding out what the prequel trilogy throwback will be. I assume clones, but we'll see. Gonna be interesting to find out!

I don't think we are ever going to see the Knights of Ren.


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