Sunday Trading - Yes or No?

Death's Head wrote:

Moggy wrote:But why does that day have to be Sunday? Wouldn't it be better to let people decide for themselves what days they want off?

Much easier for planning if it is always the same day. If it ain't broke etc

Who said it wouldn't be the same day? Some people might want Fridays off, some might want Saturdays. Why should a Sunday off be enforced when there are plenty of people that would be better off with a different day off of work?

<]:^D wrote:its more the expectation that you can (and should) work on all days of the week. i can see the argument for allowing people to pick their own days of work but i feel it will be exploited by the business owners.

plus you cant have a roast lunch if youre at work!

I don't think anybody here thinks that there is an expectation that people should work every day of the week. Business owners exploiting people is an issue but that's not really got much to do with Sunday trading, that's more to do with workers rights as a whole.

You do have a point with the roast lunch though.

Moggy wrote:Who said it wouldn't be the same day? Some people might want Fridays off, some might want Saturdays. Why should a Sunday off be enforced when there are plenty of people that would be better off with a different day off of work?

You've just said some would want X, some would want Y. How is that the same day?

i feel like that should have been my main point actually

edit: about the roast lunch.

Death's Head wrote:

Moggy wrote:Who said it wouldn't be the same day? Some people might want Fridays off, some might want Saturdays. Why should a Sunday off be enforced when there are plenty of people that would be better off with a different day off of work?

You've just said some would want X, some would want Y. How is that the same day?

I think we are getting mixed up.

Much easier for planning if it is always the same day

I thought you meant it was easier to plan if a person was always off on the same day. I assume you mean it is easier to plan if everyone is off on the same day?

Giving people flexibility shouldn't be an issue for a large business (and small businesses are already allowed to open for long hours on Sundays). Workers rights need to be protected, but there should be no issues with Tesco opening all day on a Sunday, they should have a big enough workforce to cover all of the needed shifts.

Going from previous experience when you work a job with a 7 working day rota the company have no obligation to giving you any regular hours, or even giving you a reasonable amount of notice of what shifts you'll be working, so it's almost impossible to plan your spare time in advance.

Glad that gooseberry fool is behind me.

Moggy wrote:I thought you meant it was easier to plan if a person was always off on the same day. I assume you mean it is easier to plan if everyone is off on the same day?

Correct.

Yeah it should, isn't it a religious thing?

also:

twitter.com/GRcade/status/701728394250211328

Death's Head wrote:

Moggy wrote:I thought you meant it was easier to plan if a person was always off on the same day. I assume you mean it is easier to plan if everyone is off on the same day?

Correct.

I fail to see how that makes much of a difference.

At the moment most shop workers will be on shifts, if Sunday trading laws were changed to make it a "normal" day, then it would just be one more day of shifts.

The only issue is ensuring that everybody gets a day off every week. It is not exactly an onerous task to come up with shifts that suit everybody, especially for a large chain.

Moggy wrote:I fail to see how that makes much of a difference.

At the moment most shop workers will be on shifts, if Sunday trading laws were changed to make it a "normal" day, then it would just be one more day of shifts.

The only issue is ensuring that everybody gets a day off every week. It is not exactly an onerous task to come up with shifts that suit everybody, especially for a large chain.

For retail, it makes no difference. I assume people get a day off for working Sunday. I was thinking more of my nightmare situation where the curse of 6 or 7 day weeks moves elsewhere.

Definitely

- It's better for the economy

- Apart from having dinner with the family Sundays is by far the most boring day of the week, stark contrast to Saturday.

- Saturdays in town centres and malls can often be TOO busy, would be better of it was evenly spread over 2 days.

- If you don't like working Sundays then improve yourself and get a better job.

Death's Head wrote:

Moggy wrote:I fail to see how that makes much of a difference.

At the moment most shop workers will be on shifts, if Sunday trading laws were changed to make it a "normal" day, then it would just be one more day of shifts.

The only issue is ensuring that everybody gets a day off every week. It is not exactly an onerous task to come up with shifts that suit everybody, especially for a large chain.

For retail, it makes no difference. I assume people get a day off for working Sunday. I was thinking more of my nightmare situation where the curse of 6 or 7 day weeks moves elsewhere.

Which comes down to proper workers rights rather than any issue surrounding Sundays.

NickSCFC wrote:- It's better for the economy

How? Do you think that people suddenly earn more money and can spend more because there are longer opening hours? I strongly suspect that people will just spend on different days but total spend will remain unchanged.

Death's Head wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:- It's better for the economy

How? Do you think that people suddenly earn more money and can spend more because there are longer opening hours? I strongly suspect that people will just spend on different days but total spend will remain unchanged.

Sometimes I have to go into the office on a Saturday so can't spend my money...

Death's Head wrote:

Moggy wrote:I fail to see how that makes much of a difference.

At the moment most shop workers will be on shifts, if Sunday trading laws were changed to make it a "normal" day, then it would just be one more day of shifts.

The only issue is ensuring that everybody gets a day off every week. It is not exactly an onerous task to come up with shifts that suit everybody, especially for a large chain.

For retail, it makes no difference. I assume people get a day off for working Sunday. I was thinking more of my nightmare situation where the curse of 6 or 7 day weeks moves elsewhere.

A lot of places used to do time-and-a-half for working on Sundays but that seems to have been slowly phased out and now it's just the same as every other day with no benefits from working one. Some retailers let you opt out of working Sundays but with the possibility of forfeiting 1/5th of your contract. I really hope the law is changed in England and the trading hours are extended because it's been funny as strawberry float watching all the people south of the border on my work's Facebook page shitting themselves at the prospect of having to work till 8 instead of 6, some people going as far as writing to their MPs because it's a "disgrace" They've got no idea how easy they get it down their with closing earlier and being closed completely on holidays like Easter Sunday when we have to work as normal.

NickSCFC wrote:If you don't like working Sundays then improve yourself and get a better job.

strawberry float off.

Mafro wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:If you don't like working Sundays then improve yourself and get a better job.

strawberry float off.

I'm guessing you work in retail...

NickSCFC wrote:

Mafro wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:If you don't like working Sundays then improve yourself and get a better job.

strawberry float off.

I'm guessing you work in retail...

I do, but even if I didn't I'd still say the same.

Mafro wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:

Mafro wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:If you don't like working Sundays then improve yourself and get a better job.

strawberry float off.

I'm guessing you work in retail...

I do, but even if I didn't I'd still say the same.

Ever considered a career change?

I think twats like nick aptly demonstrate why you don't want to give employers more chances to potentially exploit their workers.

Getting rid of sunday trading sounds good but eroding one of the few clear protections workers get isn't a good idea

So improving myself by getting a degree so that I didn't have to work in retail automatically makes me a twat?

Irresponsible leftie logic right there.

I think if people want to work on Sundays then that’s great and in terms of opening hours it should be no different to any other day. However, it isn't something I would personally want to do, having done it before.