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by Suffocate Peon » Tue Jun 05, 2018 1:16 pm

Does anyone want a Fujifilm S1 bridge camera..after every burst it spends seconds storing the shots to the card. I have the fastest cards. I can't be doing with that.

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by Vermilion » Tue Jun 05, 2018 2:29 pm

I don't think i've had a single camera which hasn't done that.

I think i'll stick with my lovely new Nikon though.

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by Suffocate Peon » Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:36 pm

Vermilion wrote:I don't think i've had a single camera which hasn't done that.

I think i'll stick with my lovely new Nikon though.


Oh really? There was a Nikon p610 on amazon pre owned for £160 that's gone now. Just gonna re buy what i have, wait a few years and see. Annoying because the Panasonic FZ82 would be perfect, 60x zoom, but no articulated screen. I think Sony pushing larger sensor in the bridge camera over increasing zoom meant Panasonic followed. If i wanted that I'd get a DSLR. Speed, zoom, burst, weight, size, low light, are all more important to me. Mine is 6 years old. There is no wait in between bursts. There is a FZ300 with same zoom, bigger, weather resistant, i think better low light but £300. I don't know what the future of the bridge camera is. Might go to a shop again and try out the Nikons, Currys have the exact same ones on display, i think the B700.

Also the FZ200 is very similar to fz150 but until i really try it out and compare i don't know how it is. The shops don't even charge the batteries on their cameras, or put in a card (unless they think people will nick it, unlikely though).

I've had a few cameras now i've taken back. Sony NEX and a Ricoh. Sony just looked cool. Mechanical and loud shutter. The Ricoh overheated. Now The Fujifilm S1. Also its digital zoom doesn't apply for bursts.

There's a few P610's on ebay under auction with days to go...really shouldn't keep doing this. The Fujifilm S1 didn't come with a box, manual..sigh.

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by Vermilion » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:42 pm

The Nikon B700 is basically my camera but with some extra bells and whistles (rechargable battery instead of AA, twistable screen instead of tilting, bigger zoom - 60x instead of 40x).

My b500 though is the best bridge camera i've ever had, so you should definitely give the 700 a look.

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by Suffocate Peon » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:22 pm

I keep thinking the B500/700 was before the p600/610 but it's the other way around..i wish companies would give their cameras distinctive names like The Exterminator and The Powerful Demon and God Of Light, then I'd never forget any. Trying to gauge the differences and most recent. Been a few with just wifi support, that being the difference. Want to try remote control usage..

Actually just emailed them back, was dalephotography, not an ebay seller at least.

With B500 was there a delay in each burst of shots? I'm gonna go to a shop and try it out. Another thing is manual focus, just being able to lock on. On fz150 it's on the barrel. Another thing with the Fujifilm S1 is in burst mode there was no digital zoom.

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by Vermilion » Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:13 pm

To be honest i've only tested the burst system once so i can't remember if there is or not (there probably is as it seems to be that way on a lot of cameras), the burst function will come into proper use for me when i go to the air show in july.

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by Green Gecko » Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:26 pm

Suffocate Peon wrote:Does anyone want a Fujifilm S1 bridge camera..after every burst it spends seconds storing the shots to the card. I have the fastest cards. I can't be doing with that.

That's down to the speed of the image processor and the embedded memory. If the memory is slow then it doesn't matter how fast the camera can write to the card, you still have a bottleneck.

Only really SLRs are built to deal with that.

Have you tried shooting in RAW? That will bypass any image processing, but the larger file size my result in the same delay. It might be a bit faster. You could also limit the number of bursts in the shot to whatever the memory can store in a given moment.

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by Suffocate Peon » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:03 pm

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Suffocate Peon wrote:Does anyone want a Fujifilm S1 bridge camera..after every burst it spends seconds storing the shots to the card. I have the fastest cards. I can't be doing with that.

That's down to the speed of the image processor and the embedded memory. If the memory is slow then it doesn't matter how fast the camera can write to the card, you still have a bottleneck.

Only really SLRs are built to deal with that.

Have you tried shooting in RAW? That will bypass any image processing, but the larger file size my result in the same delay. It might be a bit faster. You could also limit the number of bursts in the shot to whatever the memory can store in a given moment.


Thanks, I was gonna try Raw but forgot actually...just tried it..can't access the burst mode using raw. Or fine+raw. :?

In terms of limiting the amount...but I'm pretty reckless. I've emailed them back and they'll do a refund. Just return in 10 days. I've bought my fz150 again through ebay for £100. Quite a few turn up for £65 in auction, some are buy now £100.

There's the fz200 and fz300 which have better aperture, weather resistant. Tried a Nikon B500 today actually, asked to turn it on because it had no battery in. Opens a new box. She checks, sees there's about 4 AA battery sized holes, says she needs to ask her manager whether she can open the new batteries, goes into the back to see if there's any AA batteries around...awkward...i just wanna try the burst to satisfy my curiosity...Then she brings it me and says come to the counter so was trying it without any privacy. The intense privacy of using a camera. I wasn't impressed really. Could only do about 7 shots before needing to delete everything. Couldn't really judge delay. I should have put my memory card in but thought better of it. There wasn't any burst mode that I could see.

It was between the Panasonic or a Nikon bridge for me in 2012 but while the longer zoom on the Nikon was cool, and I liked the grip, i always got the impression that Panasonic took the bridge range more seriously, no RAW in nearly all the Nikon bridge cameras shows that I think. Not that I use Raw. For space reasons. I tried out another Pansonic dslr and it was so rapid. Had dials everywhere. A dial on the shutter button. :o It was like a machine gun. I've never had an issue with that, but it was cool.

I think a fz300 compared to the fz150 would be better macro, slightly better in low light, faster, maybe overall better quality images, i dunno. But much heavier and cost me £300. I've asked on dpreview about the future of Panasonic bridge cameras. I'd like to like sit down with a Panasonic engineer and ask him questions. Go; this is what I want, make it. I don't know if large sensor is all they'll do now, and whether the size and weight cane be reduced. Panasonic have just brought out a cool action camera.



I walked past so many rows of cameras in various large electronic shops last year and earlier this year and never once tried any out. :fp: Or even looked. I browsed everything else but that. Looked at laptops, tablets, hard drive, music speakers, tvs. That's weird isn't it. So satisfied with the fz150 i didn't even consider anything else. They are cool, to hold, to look at, now that i am searching.. but I'm not into the gear like 99% of people into photography are. I think because it's like figuring out where everything is each time..then being annoyed some minor niggle is something large, and that the simplicity is lost.

The B500 and some other Nikons have a button on the barrel that zooms out so you can track your subject, then zooms in again. It's neat but i'd prefer a button to lock on.
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Maybe not looking in shops is because some cameras, or most don't have batteries, and no card, and an old model or one you don't recognize. And not having some frame to compare one with another gives no purpose to it. If i can have every bridge camera ever for a day in a room with a sofa and go through them like; okay, this mode, this option, i can get an idea of the differences.

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by Green Gecko » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:08 pm

I like compact rangefinder styles because they are simple and good ones you can go full manual. Anything else I just go SLR. I don't care about zoom. I just walk up to gooseberry fool.

My pair is still a LUMIX/Leica LX3 and Nikon D80 with vintage manually focusing Nikkor lenses. And a manfrotto tripod. I don't have a need for anything else. The megapixels are still a total non issue even with high resolution screens. The sensors are fantastic. (The lx3 is still stunning at 200iso and really wide and bright.)

I don't really like bridge cameras, I find them kind of cheesy. The massive zoom just feels like a waste of space, weight and optical sharpness. If I had the money I'd by interested in a micro 4/3rds. Actually I had the opportunity to just literally walk off with a Sony NEX when they were brand new in Kansai international airport (I found it in the toilet), but of course I handed it in.

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by Suffocate Peon » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:41 pm

Green Gecko wrote:I like compact rangefinder styles because they are simple and good ones you can go full manual. Anything else I just go SLR. I don't care about zoom. I just walk up to gooseberry fool.

My pair is still a LUMIX/Leica LX3 and Nikon D80 with vintage manually focusing Nikkor lenses. And a manfrotto tripod. I don't have a need for anything else. The megapixels are still a total non issue even with high resolution screens. The sensors are fantastic. (The lx3 is still stunning at 200iso and really wide and bright.)

I don't really like bridge cameras, I find them kind of cheesy. The massive zoom just feels like a waste of space, weight and optical sharpness. If I had the money I'd by interested in a micro 4/3rds. Actually I had the opportunity to just literally walk off with a Sony NEX when they were brand new in Kansai international airport (I found it in the toilet), but of course I handed it in.


Depends what you want...I couldn't have got 70% of what I have without a bridge camera because i can't lug around the gear or really afford it, and it wouldn't be fun. I get why they're cheesy. To have the ease to use a zoom is incredible to me. The first time it was such a sensation. Koci Hernandez using his iphone says 'zoom with your feet'. I've got a lot from the hip but zoomed in candid face shots i'm obviously not going to get that way. I was doing focussed photos before 2012, but i mainly see it beginning for me then, and i think doing a lot and being absorbed by it fully is something else. 2012 feels like a lifetime ago. I took it out to the canal and took some shots of swans and couldn't believe the autofocus. A camera is like a superpower. Making pictures from life happening randomly is such a kick.

The LX3 is the predecessor to the LX7? That series? I have the LX7, it's great. It was between that or an Olympus, but chose the LX7 because being Panasonic i knew it. I don't know how many compacts have multiple exposure, but it's buried in the third menu or something on the LX7, used that a lot. Think the Olympus had an articulated screen and i thought, do I really need that. By now i should be able to compose blind by the hip, I don't really want to use my bridge camera and look down. My favourite LX7 moment was a man smoking that I got from straight below. The light was rubbish to do a high contrast but behind him was a glass building. It was just as he lifted the cigarette to his mouth, he's dead central.

I had a NEX5. It looked cool but it had a mechanical shutter. Obviously I didn't search well, or at all. I knew i wanted to be discreet in the street. Sold it on ebay.

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by Suffocate Peon » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:05 am

oh god i made a thread on dpreview and put up 13 photos. They're saying i should brighten them up and that the underexpose is a gimmick. The response is otherwise positive but then it isn't is it because the reason to darken some and high contrast others couldn't be more obvious. At some point it goes beyond personal taste and you enter the realms of denseness. Class! Can anyone tell me why the photographer might have darkened the image and highlighted the white in contrast to the different tones to increase the unnerving mood and mystery oh god ive given you the answer class dismissed.

Showing people anything anymore is so disappointing it basically at this point is a deep fear i have. I mean i expect nothing else. At this point art to me is like something personal and precious and bringing it up emphasises the disconnection. It'd be like if every conversation with anyone you ever had included them at any point saying 'i'm a tory'. You'd die a little inside multiple times a day wouldn't you?

My photo was cropped. Cropped! They took out the smoker's legs and the row of papers to the left. i mean i just don't even the cigarette is white cigarettes are white tones mood cigarettes are pure white cigarettes are pure white the wall is grey because cigarettes are white the looming face is meant to be shrouded in darkness because it is a looming face and cigarettes are white and the papers are a neat touch that contextualises the photo and adds more degree of tone and cigarettes are white you don't have a white cigarette against a white wall because cigarettes are white the photo is cut into three pieces the man's silhouette cuts it up he's black because the cigarette is strawberry floating white

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by Vermilion » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:18 am

I understand where you're coming from here, and it is one of the main reasons why i never offer up my still images for serious critique these days.

I used to have a photo thread back on ONM where i posted images because i wanted to share my hobby (not for serious feedback as most were just random pics of interesting things i'd seen), but at one time i found myself being targeted and rubbished by someone so poisonous it pretty much led me to shut the whole thing down.

I take pics because i enjoy it, and when you have someone constantly telling you you're no good, then it pretty much sucks all the fun out of things.

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Suffocate Peon wrote:oh god i made a thread on dpreview and put up 13 photos. They're saying i should brighten them up and that the underexpose is a gimmick. The response is otherwise positive but then it isn't is it because the reason to darken some and high contrast others couldn't be more obvious. At some point it goes beyond personal taste and you enter the realms of denseness. Class! Can anyone tell me why the photographer might have darkened the image and highlighted the white in contrast to the different tones to increase the unnerving mood and mystery oh god ive given you the answer class dismissed.

Showing people anything anymore is so disappointing it basically at this point is a deep fear i have. I mean i expect nothing else. At this point art to me is like something personal and precious and bringing it up emphasises the disconnection. It'd be like if every conversation with anyone you ever had included them at any point saying 'i'm a tory'. You'd die a little inside multiple times a day wouldn't you?

My photo was cropped. Cropped! They took out the smoker's legs and the row of papers to the left. i mean i just don't even the cigarette is white cigarettes are white tones mood cigarettes are pure white cigarettes are pure white the wall is grey because cigarettes are white the looming face is meant to be shrouded in darkness because it is a looming face and cigarettes are white and the papers are a neat touch that contextualises the photo and adds more degree of tone and cigarettes are white you don't have a white cigarette against a white wall because cigarettes are white the photo is cut into three pieces the man's silhouette cuts it up he's black because the cigarette is strawberry floating white

Dude, who gives a strawberry float about those guys. The problem is you forgot who your audience is. Dpreview is a forum for intense tongue waggling about minute differences between minor revisions in the same SLR released over and over again, they are going to attack you on every possible technical front because they have an image in their mind of the perfect image. Which is itself an intense, absurd, total fallacy, so why bother acknowledging any reference to it? It's literally a waste of your time and energy, and theirs.

If what you are producing is art, you're not going to get a critique that is useful to you. You should put it in a gallery, or Instagram, or your own website or whatever and just let people say whatever they want. Stop caring.

I'll repeat that. You're not going to get a critique that is useful to you.

Cropping your photo is a dick move. They're probably upset that your photos are more interesting than a thousand photo of a beach or sunset or bird or whatever boring gooseberry fool. Seriously strawberry float them. Nerds.

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by Vermilion » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:44 pm

Here's one pic i was particularly pleased with recently, it's a pretty basic shot but everything about it just seemed right to me...

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by Green Gecko » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:48 pm

Suffocate Peon wrote:
Green Gecko wrote:I like compact rangefinder styles because they are simple and good ones you can go full manual. Anything else I just go SLR. I don't care about zoom. I just walk up to gooseberry fool.

My pair is still a LUMIX/Leica LX3 and Nikon D80 with vintage manually focusing Nikkor lenses. And a manfrotto tripod. I don't have a need for anything else. The megapixels are still a total non issue even with high resolution screens. The sensors are fantastic. (The lx3 is still stunning at 200iso and really wide and bright.)

I don't really like bridge cameras, I find them kind of cheesy. The massive zoom just feels like a waste of space, weight and optical sharpness. If I had the money I'd by interested in a micro 4/3rds. Actually I had the opportunity to just literally walk off with a Sony NEX when they were brand new in Kansai international airport (I found it in the toilet), but of course I handed it in.


Depends what you want...I couldn't have got 70% of what I have without a bridge camera because i can't lug around the gear or really afford it, and it wouldn't be fun. I get why they're cheesy. To have the ease to use a zoom is incredible to me. The first time it was such a sensation. Koci Hernandez using his iphone says 'zoom with your feet'. I've got a lot from the hip but zoomed in candid face shots i'm obviously not going to get that way. I was doing focussed photos before 2012, but i mainly see it beginning for me then, and i think doing a lot and being absorbed by it fully is something else. 2012 feels like a lifetime ago. I took it out to the canal and took some shots of swans and couldn't believe the autofocus. A camera is like a superpower. Making pictures from life happening randomly is such a kick.

The LX3 is the predecessor to the LX7? That series? I have the LX7, it's great. It was between that or an Olympus, but chose the LX7 because being Panasonic i knew it. I don't know how many compacts have multiple exposure, but it's buried in the third menu or something on the LX7, used that a lot. Think the Olympus had an articulated screen and i thought, do I really need that. By now i should be able to compose blind by the hip, I don't really want to use my bridge camera and look down. My favourite LX7 moment was a man smoking that I got from straight below. The light was rubbish to do a high contrast but behind him was a glass building. It was just as he lifted the cigarette to his mouth, he's dead central.

I had a NEX5. It looked cool but it had a mechanical shutter. Obviously I didn't search well, or at all. I knew i wanted to be discreet in the street. Sold it on ebay.

Yeah the LX3 I think was the first that really characterised that line of cameras. I've seen the lx4 since then (minor upgrade to 3x zoom and AVHC video and a 1:1 ratio switch, which they added to mine via firmware). The lx7 I think I've seen in an airport but just too expensive for what I already have.

I'll probably wait for the viewfinder and fisheye lenses and filters to become affordable second hand and upgrade the lx3 with new stuff to play with that way. The fact it has an attachment ring is cool for a compact.

I don't really shoot from the hip. I know it's good practice especially for candid shots but I usually shoot wide anyway and I think if we see things with our eyes that is where photos make sense to come from. Obviously I do low angle stuff, the screen is perfectly good to judge and you can trust the autofocus 90% of the time. A good one is the high speed large area mode. It shoots everything really fast. Use a normal aperture and it'll get most things.

I totally get what you mean about zoom. I prefer portrait lenses. But anyway, what I mean more is the aesthetic of the camera and the feel. I just find them weird to use and feel. I like to have freedom of movement, and light weight, diddly but fast controls, or just all the stuff. I don't mean cheesy in the sense it's cheap. A good zoom lens is a marvel to play with (although I prefer the quick action of an SLR much more). You do lose some optical sharpness and I won't touch digital zoom, I just really dislike artifacts. I'll deal with noise as you can style that out but compression, no.

In fairness, I almost never take my SLR out, even indoors. I'll take it to an official shoot or documentation but that's about it. I know the LX3 so well, and along with its creative options like essentially filters, black and white etc, it's a really really useful camera, very filmic, and in the spirit it is designed like a rangefinder, I'm really very pleased with it.

Originally it was between that and a canon s90, I think I wrote about it in this thread in 2010 maybe! I was due to go to Japan but didn't actually go until a year later, so I took a lot of photos in France with my mates that I will treasure, and most of my degree (studio etc).

I picked it up for about 230 quid or something on eBay in a box. The screen was a bit strawberry floated, so I polished the gooseberry fool out of it and stuck some GGS glass on top. I never think about it now. I now use it to document and promote my workshop output every day. It just sits there all the time.

It's really great having a very decent camera that isn't a pain to use. And I still get nice comments on it and people playing with it, thinking it is a film camera lol. I have it in a faux leather case with white stitching that's falling apart. It's a very strange camera that most people don't see so hey it's a talking point.

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by Suffocate Peon » Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:02 pm

Vermilion wrote:I understand where you're coming from here, and it is one of the main reasons why i never offer up my still images for serious critique these days.

I used to have a photo thread back on ONM where i posted images because i wanted to share my hobby (not for serious feedback as most were just random pics of interesting things i'd seen), but at one time i found myself being targeted and rubbished by someone so poisonous it pretty much led me to shut the whole thing down.

I take pics because i enjoy it, and when you have someone constantly telling you you're no good, then it pretty much sucks all the fun out of things.


I think with photography it's just this wanting to measure everything against a very clean polished ideal, and clearly I'm going against that. Its limitations would come when comparing with proper film street stuff, but even then i don't want that to be the only measure of quality. There's no point wishing to be in more dramatic situations or more exotic locations or a more fascinating period of time.

I've been putting stuff on rllmuk for years (also) and generally it goes that people respond with sympathy, i mean just purely in the upvoting. So a block of shots standing alone won't garner anything compared with the same shots with a story of the trouble in getting them, or the journey. But writing anything means presenting the photos rather than being just as they are. It is incomprehensible to me if some of them wouldn't elicit any curiosity of where and how they were taken. i don't know what people are seeing but i know myself the shots by others that made a mark on me. I don't forget any, at all.

Some think that mystery is the greatest thing a photo can have and i agree. I'm not grasping around, it can't be any more obvious to be unnerving and nihilistic and abstract is the point of them. So either somehow that isn't obvious or people can't remove themself from the thinking that I Am A Human With A Camera I Shall Take Photo Of This Object And Present It To You. Obviously you hit a wall with that approach and break stuff into shapes to stretch it out to surprise yourself. At this point there's no point me posting on rllmuk. I said i wouldn't again and then have a chunk and just do it anyway.

This is insufferable but..say you have your thing, whatever it might be, however you do it, and you pursue it. You mess around, you capture what you've always hoped. You walk many miles in the sun, in the rain, in the snow, in the day, at night. You reach a dead end, think there's no way to extend this approach, and take a few years off, and with every photo you slowly come back into it again. The same things over and over again, it's a struggle to be fresh. But you accept your thing, you know it, understand it. These are the parameters in which i will be creative. And then you happen on something by chance that comes out better than you could have ever hoped. You're proper psyched. The subject, angle, light..something transpires that creates a transformation. It just works. So when you put it out there you want people to respond to your thing, not oppose it, fight it. You're like: i know, it is what it is, but this is as good as is possible for me to do in terms of what i do. Not everything, not always.

Not like anyone has been vicious. It seems more a refusal. I believe in improving obviously and criticising and analysing everything to understand. But it's when it veers into this accepted measure of quality i resent it. So much of photography is like this. I'd prefer people to put up personal stuff to them, not simply try to do professional work. So when it's clear someone is being extremely absorbed in their own personal journey through photography the reason to engage is to know how much they're into it. If that makes sense. So if i was to make a photobook, I'd put in shots that aren't overall great but which at the time stood out for me. Like stepping stones of the process, the discovery. It really has been.

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by Vermilion » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:57 pm

Having made photobooks (between 2009 and 2015 i published yearbooks of my fave pics) i know what you mean about including images that you feel are more personal and stand out rather than shots which look the most professional, as i was always made sure to include things which i found to be quite striking even if they weren't the greatest on a more technical level.

One thing i have found over the years also, is that the actual camera used can really make or break a good shot sometimes. A pic on one camera which turns out to be a masterpiece, can on another camera (same shot, same place, same time) look pretty terrible. That was what always frustrated me about the Fuji S9900, the image quality was nowhere near as good as my new Nikon (which was used to capture the train pic i posted earlier).

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by Green Gecko » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:01 am

Why do you feel your work needs to be understood?

I think you may find that the people that respond to work on an emotional level will not say anything, because those things cannot always be explained with words. If you are unable to know how everyone responds to your work, and are only looking at the technical critiques, then you are going to have a skewed understanding of what limited understanding a very small portion of your audience thinks about your work. It may not be necessary to think about your work but just look at it.

So I would try to either think less, or see if there are other ways you can assess a response to your work, if you feel the need.

I spent a long time filming people's responses to my work. I very rarely asked them what they think. Because when you ask people to think about your work, that is not necessarily their response. It is their response to you asking for a response to your work.

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by Suffocate Peon » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:38 am

Green Gecko wrote:
Suffocate Peon wrote:oh god i made a thread on dpreview and put up 13 photos. They're saying i should brighten them up and that the underexpose is a gimmick. The response is otherwise positive but then it isn't is it because the reason to darken some and high contrast others couldn't be more obvious. At some point it goes beyond personal taste and you enter the realms of denseness. Class! Can anyone tell me why the photographer might have darkened the image and highlighted the white in contrast to the different tones to increase the unnerving mood and mystery oh god ive given you the answer class dismissed.

Showing people anything anymore is so disappointing it basically at this point is a deep fear i have. I mean i expect nothing else. At this point art to me is like something personal and precious and bringing it up emphasises the disconnection. It'd be like if every conversation with anyone you ever had included them at any point saying 'i'm a tory'. You'd die a little inside multiple times a day wouldn't you?

My photo was cropped. Cropped! They took out the smoker's legs and the row of papers to the left. i mean i just don't even the cigarette is white cigarettes are white tones mood cigarettes are pure white cigarettes are pure white the wall is grey because cigarettes are white the looming face is meant to be shrouded in darkness because it is a looming face and cigarettes are white and the papers are a neat touch that contextualises the photo and adds more degree of tone and cigarettes are white you don't have a white cigarette against a white wall because cigarettes are white the photo is cut into three pieces the man's silhouette cuts it up he's black because the cigarette is strawberry floating white

Dude, who gives a strawberry float about those guys. The problem is you forgot who your audience is. Dpreview is a forum for intense tongue waggling about minute differences between minor revisions in the same SLR released over and over again, they are going to attack you on every possible technical front because they have an image in their mind of the perfect image. Which is itself an intense, absurd, total fallacy, so why bother acknowledging any reference to it? It's literally a waste of your time and energy, and theirs.

If what you are producing is art, you're not going to get a critique that is useful to you. You should put it in a gallery, or Instagram, or your own website or whatever and just let people say whatever they want. Stop caring.

I'll repeat that. You're not going to get a critique that is useful to you.

Cropping your photo is a dick move. They're probably upset that your photos are more interesting than a thousand photo of a beach or sunset or bird or whatever boring gooseberry fool. Seriously strawberry float them. Nerds.


I missed this earlier yesterday.

This isn't about just one thread on dpreview..i'm not that sensitive..it would include deviantart, rllmuk, real life. I've thought about this a lot, an awful lot. Just to find the time and motivation and be satisfied is enough, why does it matter?

It just occurred to me lately that it's about absorbing myself so fully into something and not being able to share it with others, in terms of being like; this is strawberry floating great isn't this strawberry floating great. It's not about a stuffy kind of aloof response, i can tell when the pure..cerebral rawness of them gets under their skin and they get a kick on that level. Really for this it only needs one person to feel it, but what I'm starved of is legitimacy.

It kills me to show people and for it to mean nothing-nothing. If you're a struggling comedian barely getting by you might doubt whether you'll ever get a break but you're at least on stage in a live setting. If you're in a band, maybe you don't come out with anything after a tour, and not doing exactly the music you want, and are average..but just doing a tour is success in itelf. An amazing thing. If the purpose and meaning of the stuff I'm doing is refused to be engaged with then it ceases to exist as anything.

This is the way something i put everything into is viewed: weird. Bordering on mentally ill. Taking photos of random people, what the strawberry float are you doing? At no point are they thinking; strawberry floating hell, you're very into this, clearly digging deep to express yourself through this medium. Because that's not the way they see photography or art in general. Photos have to be of things clearly defined things, and drawings have to be in pencil of a person.

I'll show people and look at how they respond. I can see something is happening but also see a refusal to engage. I'm not attaching themes like an attempt to get higher marks in GCSE coursework, the mood is consistent. To transform is fun anyway, but it is meant to capture the alienation of modern life, people reduced to vacant despondent stark forms lost in a void of black. It is meant to express depression and loneliness, it is meant to be aggressive and nihilistic, treat the human body violently - not as an attack on them but an expression of modern life's toil on them viewed through a modern lens, caused by excessive work, excessive consumption.

Work is shown as hell. Consumerism is not captured as a good thing that brings you happiness but as an illness, you paralysed in this anxious state, alone, surrounded by logos and signs, your body cut into a shape that looks like it's being pulled in conflicting directions at once. I'm not grasping..i resent a lot of modern life. I like cities for the range of people moving about independently, i like that they're lived in, worn, the old buildings among the new, the way things are built on top, around, over each other.

My photos upset my family when i show them, it's genuinely like opening up my brain and showing the darkness inside. It shouldn't be, it should be; you've done well there, IF you acknowledge the legitimacy of it and value it. We're really living through a time of knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing though.

back to dpreview..yeah they didn't like me questioning their monitors...don't question a calibrated monitor.


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