Moggy wrote: Eighthours wrote: Moggy wrote:
Eighthours wrote:Also, very clearly the opinion polls show that the 'normal' voter is now right of centre. But never mind.
The "normal" voter is currently right of centre because they have had it drummed into them that foreigners are stealing the jobs and they need to vote Tory/UKIP to stop it. They have also been told that Corbyn is an IRA supporting member of Hamas that will turn us into the USSR.
In a few years, after over a decade of Tory policy, we may well see that swing back to where it normally is as the poorer members of society start to realise how much bollocks they have been fed.
To be fair, he was IRA supporting...
You say 'back to where it normally is', but looking at the pattern of Governments over the last century, isn't it the case that there have been fewer left governments than right ones, and therefore the 'normal' voter has generally historically been right of centre?
I've done a quick count over the last 100 years and we have been ruled by:
Conservatives: 43 years
Labour: 32 years
Coalition: 25 years (including what you would doubtless call a 'right wing' Cameron-Clegg coalition for 5 of those years.)
You brought in the "normal" voter, which I took as a codeword for "poor". My "where it normally is" meant that once they see that stopping immigrants doesn't help them at all, the poor will go back to supporting a party that will help them or back to not bothering voting at all.
Plus your "100 years" stats ignores that under 21s couldn't vote for much of that time and that women couldn't vote 100 years ago. Christ Eighty, first you disenfranchise the poor, then you pick on young people and now you want to take away the female vote. You monster.
Wait, you're saying that all under 21s and woman in 1917 would have voted for Corbyn when he was first elected in Islington North?
I wasn't using it as a codeword. I thought it was referring to the average voter, and thought that was what Errkal was referring to as well. Maybe he wasn't, I dunno.
But yes, you may be right about the poor voting for first UKIP and now the Tories rather than Labour. Although for me it's quite refreshing when any group moves away from 'I'm voting for this lot because my dad did and my granddad did', etc. Tribal politics is boring. As an example, you'd expect that my friends from private school would all be voting for the Tories (when we did our mock election when I was 14 there was a Conservative landslide), but actually most of them are now Labour, Liberal or Green. I'm voting Green in my constituency.