The 2017 UK General Election Thread - 8th June

Fed up talking videogames? Why?

Who will you be voting for?

Conservatives
10
9%
Labour
51
48%
UK Independence Party
0
No votes
Liberal Democrats (inc. Alliance)
31
29%
Scottish Nationalists
8
7%
Green Party (inc. Scotland, Northern Ireland)
5
5%
Democratic Unionists
0
No votes
Sinn Féin
0
No votes
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
Ulster Unionists
0
No votes
Social Democrats
1
1%
Traditional Unionist Voice
0
No votes
People Before Profit Alliance
1
1%
 
Total votes: 107
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Knoyleo » Fri May 19, 2017 6:07 pm

"It should be as unacceptable to bully online as it is in the playground, as difficult to groom a young child on the internet as it is in a community, as hard for children to access violent and degrading pornography online as it is in the high street, and as difficult to commit a crime digitally as it is physically."


Think of the children!
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Moggy » Fri May 19, 2017 6:15 pm

Eighthours wrote:
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satriales wrote:The Tories manifesto includes plans to 'regulate' the internet annd control the news that gets posted online

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 44176.html


I just read that fully.

She's absolutely out of her mind if she thinks that will work. Even if somehow it did work, do we really want to be China? :dread:


The goal behind this is laudable:

"It should be as unacceptable to bully online as it is in the playground, as difficult to groom a young child on the internet as it is in a community, as hard for children to access violent and degrading pornography online as it is in the high street, and as difficult to commit a crime digitally as it is physically."


But the stated methods of moving closer to this show a fundamental misunderstanding of the Internet and its benefits. I'm not a fan.


Yeah except:

The government now appears to be launching a similarly radical change in the way that social networks and internet companies work. While much of the internet is currently controlled by private businesses like Google and Facebook, Theresa May intends to allow government to decide what is and isn't published, the manifesto suggests.

The new rules would include laws that make it harder than ever to access pornographic and other websites. The government will be able to place restrictions on seeing adult content and any exceptions would have to be justified to ministers, the manifesto suggests.




The Conservatives will also seek to regulate the kind of news that is posted online and how companies are paid for it. If elected, Theresa May will "take steps to protect the reliability and objectivity of information that is essential to our democracy" – and crack down on Facebook and Google to ensure that news companies get enough advertising money.


They will use terrorism and children (as usual) to justify it, but this about control, nothing else.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Garth » Fri May 19, 2017 6:16 pm

How do they propose to tackle online bullying when it's not just UK citizens bullying, but people from all over the world?
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Errkal » Fri May 19, 2017 6:23 pm

It seems like the start of a regime.

Control people's access to the world and what news and information they can and can't see.

It feels more and more may is trying to kick off some sort of dictatorship, kick the UK to brexit to cause a crash, blame the EU for it, take emergency powers, take over fully.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by lex-man » Fri May 19, 2017 6:37 pm

Knoyleo wrote:
"It should be as unacceptable to bully online as it is in the playground, as difficult to groom a young child on the internet as it is in a community, as hard for children to access violent and degrading pornography online as it is in the high street, and as difficult to commit a crime digitally as it is physically."


Think of the children!


I don't understand this quote it's already really easy to bully kids online!
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by KK » Fri May 19, 2017 6:43 pm

She's a very interventionist PM, and another politician who doesn't appear to understand how the internet works.

Google, Facebook and Twitter etc. are partly to blame for this of course. They've let abuse run rampent on their platforms. The BBC reporting child abuse to Facebook and FB then reporting the BBC to the police was peak bollocks.

The EU, in particular Germany, aren't happy with these companies either.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by satriales » Fri May 19, 2017 6:53 pm

They already have control over most of the newspapers and TV, the internet is the next logical step.

Phase 1 is already in place with the Snooper's charter which gave the Tories the logs of everyone's browsing habits.
Phase 2 lets them (attempt to) tweak/remove the content as they wish.

There is no Phase 3 as by that point they can in theory force their own narrative on the majority of the population using the data they have to ensure it's most effective.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Memento Mori » Fri May 19, 2017 6:54 pm

Karl wrote:
Eighthours wrote:
Errkal wrote:Point is, as you go right people are more likely to go out and vote and not be subject to apathy. Whereas as you go left they are less likely to vote and more prone to apathy, thus adding an additional requirement will just increase the drop-off. Making it easier for the tories to win, it is a self-serving move, nothing more.


Evidence for this?


I think it happens in some areas of America, to be fair. I can't remember the exact system they have, but I recall the barrier to getting ID is high enough that poor minorities (predominantly left-leaning) stop bothering, whereas the rich white people (predominantly right-leaning) don't see going through that process as a big deal. So ultimately one demographic gets to vote and the other doesn't.

Having to go to a building which is only open five days a year is the most egregious example.

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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by satriales » Fri May 19, 2017 7:15 pm

Hearing people talk politics for the first time at work today was quite disheartening. Nobody seemed to have actually read the manifestos they've just seen the headlines on the Daily Mail. I heard the word '1970s' several times, someone mentioned giving money to poor people as if was a bad thing, there was a conversation about the recent ransomware attack and that it would have been worse under Labour (even though they manage the Welsh NHS and weren't affected by the attack), and a manager went on a huge rant about how evil Labour are for wanting to cap bosses pay if they want public contracts, as if that is the most serious issue we face as a country. No one in the office would be affected by it but for some reason everyone seemed to agree with him.

I'm in Surrey so Tories are guaranteed to win here anyway, but if the number of illogical or misinformed arguments I heard today is any indication then the country is going to let the Tories do as they have promised.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Meep » Fri May 19, 2017 7:16 pm

The best case scenario here is that the Conservatives aren't that ignorant and are just publishing this crap because they think their older voter base will buy it; although from experience I think it is very likely that they are as clueless as they seem on technology.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by lex-man » Fri May 19, 2017 8:00 pm

TM seems super into her Internet censorship. I'm actually worried she'll start filtering everything coming into the UK, China style.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by BID0 » Fri May 19, 2017 8:01 pm



How reliable the figure is I don't know, but Corbyn stated today that young voter registration has increased by about 2 million. (Likely) split between the left wing parties, I'm not sure how useful that's going to be to stop a Conservative or Conservative/UKIP coalition government
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Hyperion » Fri May 19, 2017 8:14 pm

There's no chance of a Conservative/UKIP coalition
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Errkal » Fri May 19, 2017 8:14 pm

There will be no ukip to have a coalition with!
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Squinty » Fri May 19, 2017 8:15 pm

Watching the ITV debate. Two very big holes in this thing.

And Leanne's accent is still goddamn lovely!
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Moggy » Fri May 19, 2017 8:19 pm

Errkal wrote:There will be no ukip to have a coalition with!


This! I'd be stunned if they get even one MP.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by lex-man » Fri May 19, 2017 8:22 pm

Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:There will be no ukip to have a coalition with!


This! I'd be stunned if they get even one MP.


All the stories about them seem to be about them withdrawing candidates.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by satriales » Fri May 19, 2017 8:25 pm

The Conservatives and UKIP have already merged.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Ironhide » Fri May 19, 2017 8:40 pm

Errkal wrote:It seems like the start of a regime.

Control people's access to the world and what news and information they can and can't see.

It feels more and more may is trying to kick off some sort of dictatorship, kick the UK to brexit to cause a crash, blame the EU for it, take emergency powers, take over fully.


This.

May is rapidly becoming a fascist dictator and people are too stupid to realise.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Wrathy » Fri May 19, 2017 8:52 pm

Ironhide wrote:
Errkal wrote:It seems like the start of a regime.

Control people's access to the world and what news and information they can and can't see.

It feels more and more may is trying to kick off some sort of dictatorship, kick the UK to brexit to cause a crash, blame the EU for it, take emergency powers, take over fully.


This.

May is rapidly becoming a fascist dictator and people are too stupid to realise.


I feel like this is a very grand statement when, in the grand scheme of things, very little has tangibly changed under her leadership.

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