The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Voting open today from 7am - 10pm

[Moggy]

I'm just glad the Liberal Democrats will grow as a result of this shambles. That offers me some hope for the future.

Yep got to push trade deals over homophobia I suppose. Although to be fair Farron has declared gay sex is not a sin this afternoon so there is that I suppose.

While his religious beliefs are troublesome, Farron voted for gay marriage and has clarified the sin comments.

When are Corbyn and McDonnell going to clarify their previous comments on the IRA and Hamas?

[satriales]

Unlike a normal election, the right side did lose. One lied beyond all reason to push through a disaster. I may be annoyed by the upcoming election (exasperated is probably a better word despite whats likely to be a better election for my party of choice) but its nothing on the absolute national travesty that is the Brexit vote.

And before you roll out 'but everyone lies!' line....not to that degree.

Saying one side lied is a bit unfair as both sides were as bad as each other. There was very little truth coming from anyone it was all exagerrated guesses and biased speculation.

They were nowhere near as bad as one another when it comes to lies. What outright lies were there on the Remain side?

Remain were terrible at getting the message out, but they didn't plaster an absolute whopper of a lie on the side of a bus.

Cameron said it would cause World War 3, Osborne used some dishonest accounting to make it look like everyone would be £4000 worse off, and he also claimed there'd have to be a 'punishment budget' if we left.

[Hexx]

Good try Hexx.

I hope you get killed in a freak combine harvester accident

[Meep]

twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/856863957063270404

I don't think she can do better than Trump.

[DML]

I'm just glad the Liberal Democrats will grow as a result of this shambles. That offers me some hope for the future.

Yep got to push trade deals over homophobia I suppose. Although to be fair Farron has declared gay sex is not a sin this afternoon so there is that I suppose.

When you voted for Leave which has raised hate crimes by a considerable amount, I'll be able to keep my conscience thank you very much.

[captain red dog]

I'm just glad the Liberal Democrats will grow as a result of this shambles. That offers me some hope for the future.

Yep got to push trade deals over homophobia I suppose. Although to be fair Farron has declared gay sex is not a sin this afternoon so there is that I suppose.

While his religious beliefs are troublesome, Farron voted for gay marriage and has clarified the sin comments.

When are Corbyn and McDonnell going to clarify their previous comments on the IRA and Hamas?

I think McDonnell apologised eventually but your right, Corbyn should have labelled those representatives of Hamas as terrorists as it would have made the discussion much more enjoyable I'm sure!

[Errkal]

Unlike a normal election, the right side did lose. One lied beyond all reason to push through a disaster. I may be annoyed by the upcoming election (exasperated is probably a better word despite whats likely to be a better election for my party of choice) but its nothing on the absolute national travesty that is the Brexit vote.

And before you roll out 'but everyone lies!' line....not to that degree.

Saying one side lied is a bit unfair as both sides were as bad as each other. There was very little truth coming from anyone it was all exagerrated guesses and biased speculation.

They were nowhere near as bad as one another when it comes to lies. What outright lies were there on the Remain side?

Remain were terrible at getting the message out, but they didn't plaster an absolute whopper of a lie on the side of a bus.

Cameron said it would cause World War 3, Osborne used some dishonest accounting to make it look like everyone would be £4000 worse off, and he also claimed there'd have to be a 'punishment budget' if we left.

Ww3, ok probably a stupid statement but the EU does help prevent what has caused the last 2 so it does increase the risk.

£4000 worse off, we haven't left yet so it could still happen, until we leave that can't be judged

Budget, see above.

[Moggy]

Unlike a normal election, the right side did lose. One lied beyond all reason to push through a disaster. I may be annoyed by the upcoming election (exasperated is probably a better word despite whats likely to be a better election for my party of choice) but its nothing on the absolute national travesty that is the Brexit vote.

And before you roll out 'but everyone lies!' line....not to that degree.

Saying one side lied is a bit unfair as both sides were as bad as each other. There was very little truth coming from anyone it was all exagerrated guesses and biased speculation.

They were nowhere near as bad as one another when it comes to lies. What outright lies were there on the Remain side?

Remain were terrible at getting the message out, but they didn't plaster an absolute whopper of a lie on the side of a bus.

Cameron said it would cause World War 3, Osborne used some dishonest accounting to make it look like everyone would be £4000 worse off, and he also claimed there'd have to be a 'punishment budget' if we left.

None of those are lies, other than possibly the emergency budget which was taken out of Osborne's hands when Cameron quit.

[Moggy]

I'm just glad the Liberal Democrats will grow as a result of this shambles. That offers me some hope for the future.

Yep got to push trade deals over homophobia I suppose. Although to be fair Farron has declared gay sex is not a sin this afternoon so there is that I suppose.

While his religious beliefs are troublesome, Farron voted for gay marriage and has clarified the sin comments.

When are Corbyn and McDonnell going to clarify their previous comments on the IRA and Hamas?

I think McDonnell apologised eventually but your right, Corbyn should have labelled those representatives of Hamas as terrorists as it would have made the discussion much more enjoyable I'm sure!

There's a middle way between calling somebody a terrorist and a friend.

[Meep]

The whole "WW3!!!!" thing is a hyperbolic straw-man created by leave campaigners. It was argued that the EU had helped promote peace, which could mean anything to border and territorial disputes about the control of rivers, port access, etc. All these things have the possibility to escalate in a build up of forces and posturing and fatal mistakes. Even a minor conflict between countries can cause a lot of economic and social disruption on the continent. I think both campaigns distorted some of the arguments made by the other however people do themselves no credit by using that kind of tactic.

[Moggy]

The whole "WW3!!!!" thing is a hyperbolic straw-man created by leave campaigners. It was argued that the EU had helped promote peace, which could mean anything to border and territorial disputes about the control of rivers, port access, etc. All these things have the possibility to escalate in a build up of forces and posturing and fatal mistakes. Even a minor conflict between countries can cause a lot of economic and social disruption on the continent. I think both campaigns distorted some of the arguments made by the other however people do themselves no credit by using that kind of tactic.

Within 2 days of triggering Article 50 our press was calling for war with Spain.

[captain red dog]

The whole "WW3!!!!" thing is a hyperbolic straw-man created by leave campaigners. It was argued that the EU had helped promote peace, which could mean anything to border and territorial disputes about the control of rivers, port access, etc. All these things have the possibility to escalate in a build up of forces and posturing and fatal mistakes. Even a minor conflict between countries can cause a lot of economic and social disruption on the continent. I think both campaigns distorted some of the arguments made by the other however people do themselves no credit by using that kind of tactic.

Within 2 days of triggering Article 50 our press was calling for war with Spain.

You were worried about war with Spain then?

[Moggy]

The whole "WW3!!!!" thing is a hyperbolic straw-man created by leave campaigners. It was argued that the EU had helped promote peace, which could mean anything to border and territorial disputes about the control of rivers, port access, etc. All these things have the possibility to escalate in a build up of forces and posturing and fatal mistakes. Even a minor conflict between countries can cause a lot of economic and social disruption on the continent. I think both campaigns distorted some of the arguments made by the other however people do themselves no credit by using that kind of tactic.

Within 2 days of triggering Article 50 our press was calling for war with Spain.

You were worried about war with Spain then?

No but it shows how our press will fire up the population in favour of war over pretty much nothing.

Once we're out of the EU, when the economy is nose diving and when we're not getting the exact deals we think we deserve?

[satriales]

Unlike a normal election, the right side did lose. One lied beyond all reason to push through a disaster. I may be annoyed by the upcoming election (exasperated is probably a better word despite whats likely to be a better election for my party of choice) but its nothing on the absolute national travesty that is the Brexit vote.

And before you roll out 'but everyone lies!' line....not to that degree.

Saying one side lied is a bit unfair as both sides were as bad as each other. There was very little truth coming from anyone it was all exagerrated guesses and biased speculation.

They were nowhere near as bad as one another when it comes to lies. What outright lies were there on the Remain side?

Remain were terrible at getting the message out, but they didn't plaster an absolute whopper of a lie on the side of a bus.

Cameron said it would cause World War 3, Osborne used some dishonest accounting to make it look like everyone would be £4000 worse off, and he also claimed there'd have to be a 'punishment budget' if we left.

None of those are lies, other than possibly the emergency budget which was taken out of Osborne's hands when Cameron quit.

Oh yeah Cameron said he wouldn't quit, so that's another one.

The bus thing wasn't even that bad as far as lies go, they just ignored the rebates to make the number bigger. The real number is more like £250M if I recall.
It's similar to Osborne's exaggerated 'we'll all be £4k worse off' line which made a lot of clearly incorrect assumptions to get to that figure.

[captain red dog]

The whole "WW3!!!!" thing is a hyperbolic straw-man created by leave campaigners. It was argued that the EU had helped promote peace, which could mean anything to border and territorial disputes about the control of rivers, port access, etc. All these things have the possibility to escalate in a build up of forces and posturing and fatal mistakes. Even a minor conflict between countries can cause a lot of economic and social disruption on the continent. I think both campaigns distorted some of the arguments made by the other however people do themselves no credit by using that kind of tactic.

Within 2 days of triggering Article 50 our press was calling for war with Spain.

You were worried about war with Spain then?

No but it shows how our press will fire up the population in favour of war over pretty much nothing.

Once we're out of the EU, when the economy is nose diving and when we're not getting the exact deals we think we deserve?

What so you mean the press push their own agenda? Like fake news? Surely not?

When the economy nose dived in 2009 there wasn't a rush to war then. I think it's more than quite a stretch to suggest we will go to war with Europe because we pull out of the EU. That is before we get into the whole debate of whether Brexit will actually tank the economy, even to such an extent that we need to go to war?

The WW3 veiled hints from the remain campaign were amongst the worst of the lies told during the referendum, (along with the NHS pledge I fully accept) designed to frighten an elderly population that had felt the effects of WW2. It wasn't just lies on the Brexit side.

[Moggy]

The whole "WW3!!!!" thing is a hyperbolic straw-man created by leave campaigners. It was argued that the EU had helped promote peace, which could mean anything to border and territorial disputes about the control of rivers, port access, etc. All these things have the possibility to escalate in a build up of forces and posturing and fatal mistakes. Even a minor conflict between countries can cause a lot of economic and social disruption on the continent. I think both campaigns distorted some of the arguments made by the other however people do themselves no credit by using that kind of tactic.

Within 2 days of triggering Article 50 our press was calling for war with Spain.

You were worried about war with Spain then?

No but it shows how our press will fire up the population in favour of war over pretty much nothing.

Once we're out of the EU, when the economy is nose diving and when we're not getting the exact deals we think we deserve?

What so you mean the press push their own agenda? Like fake news? Surely not?

When the economy nose dived in 2009 there wasn't a rush to war then. I think it's more than quite a stretch to suggest we will go to war with Europe because we pull out of the EU. That is before we get into the whole debate of whether Brexit will actually tank the economy, even to such an extent that we need to go to war?

The WW3 veiled hints from the remain campaign were amongst the worst of the lies told during the referendum, (along with the NHS pledge I fully accept) designed to frighten an elderly population that had felt the effects of WW2. It wasn't just lies on the Brexit side.

Nobody is saying and nobody said we would go to war with Europe or that WW3 would definitely happen. You are reading that into it, we are not saying it will happen.

Your "Remain told the worst lie" is in itself a lie, Cameron didn't claim WW3 would happen, Leave supporters claimed he said or alluded to that.

What was said is that the EU has led to a dramatic decrease in European tension. Which may well increase when we leave the EU.

A lot of Leave supporters are convinced and are hoping that the entire EU will collapse in the next few years. If that happens, then I absolutely think war will break out in Europe.

[Meep]

Those hoping the entire EU collapses are just the kind of destructive, short-sighted individuals that the remain side likes to portray all leavers as. They don't see that such an occurrence would completely devastate the regional economy we depend on and make it impossible to get any kind of deal at all in the next two years; we would be luck if it was a decade if that scenario came about.

I have heard commentators saying Macron will not be good for the UK. Well, maybe, but he's a damn sight better for us than the alternative. If by some misfortune he does not win the final vote then we are in serious trouble.

[Rocsteady]

Unlike a normal election, the right side did lose. One lied beyond all reason to push through a disaster. I may be annoyed by the upcoming election (exasperated is probably a better word despite whats likely to be a better election for my party of choice) but its nothing on the absolute national travesty that is the Brexit vote.

And before you roll out 'but everyone lies!' line....not to that degree.

Saying one side lied is a bit unfair as both sides were as bad as each other. There was very little truth coming from anyone it was all exagerrated guesses and biased speculation.

They were nowhere near as bad as one another when it comes to lies. What outright lies were there on the Remain side?

Remain were terrible at getting the message out, but they didn't plaster an absolute whopper of a lie on the side of a bus.

Cameron said it would cause World War 3, Osborne used some dishonest accounting to make it look like everyone would be £4000 worse off, and he also claimed there'd have to be a 'punishment budget' if we left.

None of those are lies, other than possibly the emergency budget which was taken out of Osborne's hands when Cameron quit.

Oh yeah Cameron said he wouldn't quit, so that's another one.

The bus thing wasn't even that bad as far as lies go, they just ignored the rebates to make the number bigger. The real number is more like £250M if I recall.
It's similar to Osborne's exaggerated 'we'll all be £4k worse off' line which made a lot of clearly incorrect assumptions to get to that figure.

£100m's a hell of a difference. And more importantly completely ignores the vast swathes of money spent in Britain by the EU which, it can be argued, actually left Britain in surplus in our relationship with Brussels.

[Hexx]

'The bus thing wasn't bad as lies go'


Jesus strawberry float

[Squinty]

I've seen people defend that bus statement because they deem that it was a suggestion.