The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June

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Who will you be voting for?

Conservatives
6
8%
Labour
22
30%
UK Independence Party
0
No votes
Liberal Democrats (inc. Alliance)
35
48%
Scottish Nationalists
7
10%
Green Party (inc. Scotland, Northern Ireland)
2
3%
Democratic Unionists
0
No votes
Sinn Féin
0
No votes
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
Ulster Unionists
0
No votes
Social Democrats
0
No votes
Traditional Unionist Voice
0
No votes
People Before Profit Alliance
1
1%
 
Total votes: 73
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Meep » Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:52 pm

I'm guessing the triple lock will be culled, as will a lot of other things. Looking at private borrowing and indebtedness, combined with pricing prices we are going to see a significant slow down in consumer spending over the next few years and stagnant GDP. That's before you consider the negative impact of Brexit on trade after 2019, at which point a technical recession is quite possible. Assuming the Conservatives don't just completely throw their previous policy on the deficit out the window, there are going to have to be new austerity measures. The problem is they have already cut back on most of the unpopular areas so now things like pensions are the only place were much fat can be trimmed.

They have three choices:
1. Start borrowing a lot more (and eat a massive plate of crow as the "long term plan" is finally completely demolished)
2. Raise taxation (May would face opposition from her own party on this but she could easily get Labour support)
3. Slaughter sacred cows (pensions, which could devastate their voter base)

I would bet on either 1 or 3. There's a chance they might go for a borrowing spree and count on a friendly press to bury the news, I suppose. Government borrowing isn't something most voters notice and with Labour in the wilderness any accusations can be easily crushed under a tide of red top fury and character assassination.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Lotus » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:03 pm

I don't really have a problem with foreign aid - we're very fortunate, a rich country, and should help others when we can - but I do have questions about sending aid to countries with space and nuclear weapon programs, and countries like Nigeria...wealthiest country in Africa, highly corrupt, etc. Surely there are other countries in greater need. Think it needs re-distributing rather than decreasing.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Errkal » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:26 pm

Grumpy David wrote:Foreign aid budget. :fp:

That's 13 billion a year down the drain. Imagine using that to fund new social housing or fund cancer treatments currently deemed too expensive etc.


Yeah strawberry float helping other counties that need our help, they should just strawberry float of develop on their own!

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by Drumstick » Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:49 pm

Moggy wrote:I just remembered that I have never not voted for the winner (in my constituency not the country!) whenever I have voted. Up until 2015 I voted Lib Dem and always ended up with a Lib Dem MP, in 2015 I switched to Miss Awesome Name and ended up with her as an MP.

I have no idea how Bristol West will vote this time, it’s likely to be either Labour or Lib Dem, so I am interested in this election mainly to see in if I can keep my awesome record going.

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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Return_of_the_STAR » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:16 pm

I don't think foreign aid should be cut. Maybe review where and how it is spent. But I think it's quite important.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Moggy » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:56 pm

Drumstick wrote:
Moggy wrote:I just remembered that I have never not voted for the winner (in my constituency not the country!) whenever I have voted. Up until 2015 I voted Lib Dem and always ended up with a Lib Dem MP, in 2015 I switched to Miss Awesome Name and ended up with her as an MP.

I have no idea how Bristol West will vote this time, it’s likely to be either Labour or Lib Dem, so I am interested in this election mainly to see in if I can keep my awesome record going.

It's highly possible that GRcade may hold another vote to determine help you decide who you vote for.


I'm back to the Lib Dems so no need for a GR vote this time.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Moggy » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:05 pm

Moggy wrote:
Grumpy David wrote:Foreign aid budget. :fp:

That's 13 billion a year down the drain. Imagine using that to fund new social housing or fund cancer treatments currently deemed too expensive etc.


:fp:


Sorry to just facepalm, it summed up my feelings nicely but I should probably post more.

While 13 billion sounds a lot (and is to the likes of us!) it's nothing in the grand scale of things. 0.7% of GDP isn't it?

It's nice that you want to fund social housing and cancer treatment, but there's no reason they can't be funded by cutting things like Trident or HS2. Or by ensuring that companies pay their fair share of tax. Or by not tanking the economy by leaving a massive free trade area....

Foreign aid is important in many ways. It allows the UK to stretch itself across the world in a non military way. It builds up emerging economies allowing British companies to trade with them fairly and profitably. It means we are seen as a decent caring nation rather than the evil colonisers we were in the past. Most importantly, it is just the right thing to do, despite the Tory and UKIP habit of slating the country, we are very very rich compared to most of the world, it's only right that we help out.

There's a good discussion to be had on where and how the government spend the money, there is a lot of waste for instance, but spending 0.7% of GDP on helping other nations is only ever going to be a good thing. Especially when you compare it to our spending of more than 2% of GDP on the military.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Karl » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:13 pm

Grumpy David wrote:Foreign aid budget. :fp:

That's 13 billion a year down the drain. Imagine using that to fund new social housing or fund cancer treatments currently deemed too expensive etc.


In 2012, the DfID published statistics on our foreign aid outlining who it has helped, saying the benefits included "vaccinating more than 12 million children against preventable diseases; improving the land and property rights of 1.1 million people; supporting 5.3 million children (2.5 million of them girls) to go to primary school; enabling 11.9 million people to work their way out of poverty by providing access to financial services; preventing 2.7 million children and pregnant women from going hungry; reaching 6 million people with emergency food assistance; supporting freer and fairer elections in five countries and improving hygiene conditions for 7.4 million people." In the same year ONE estimated that between 2012-16, "based on bilateral and multilateral spending plans, the UK will achieve a minimum of the following results: vaccinate more than 80 million children against life-threatening diseases, save at least 1.4 million lives; provide school places for 15.9 million children and help create more than 19 million jobs by fostering economic growth." Save the Children said at the time that "UK aid has helped to reduce child mortality – one of the millennium development goals – with the number of deaths of under-fives falling from 12 million in 1990 to 6.9 million in 2011." [Source -- a little outdated, but the best summary I could find.]

If the funding were rolled back, there are little kids in developing countries who would have to drop out of school; who would get sick; who would die. I would feel pretty bad about that personally. Would you?
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Pancake » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:05 pm

Well said Karl and Moggy. :wub:
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by KK » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:34 pm

Murdoch papers tomorrow not very positive reading for the Tories all of a sudden...


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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Lagamorph » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:53 pm

So the talk now is that the Tories are going to scrap the Triple Lock on Pensions whilst Labour are going to guarantee to continue it.
It's like living in Bizarro world.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Memento Mori » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:32 pm

KK wrote:

The Queen had the same reaction as me when I saw that headline.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Return_of_the_STAR » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:33 pm

What's the triple lock on pensions?

The sudden turn by the murdoch papers seems a bit odd.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Knoyleo » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:38 pm

The Queen looks like Muttley.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Lagamorph » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:39 pm

Return_of_the_STAR wrote:What's the triple lock on pensions?

The sudden turn by the murdoch papers seems a bit odd.

It's a guarantee that Pensions will increase by Inflation, Average Earnings or 2.5%, whichever of the three is higher.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Shadow » Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:42 am

I came out:
75% Labour
69% LibDem
69% SNP

Maybe we'll get a coalition of those three. :D
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Errkal » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:16 am

Apparently 100,000 under 25s have registered to vote since the GE announcement.

It may be wishful thinking but it seems to me things aren't as clean cut as the Tories and we initially thought!

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/pol ... ster-vote/
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Squinty » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:50 am

KK wrote:Murdoch papers tomorrow not very positive reading for the Tories all of a sudden...


Makes you wonder what this is really all about :|
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Rex Kramer » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:48 am

Squinty wrote:
KK wrote:Murdoch papers tomorrow not very positive reading for the Tories all of a sudden...


Makes you wonder what this is really all about :|

I'd imagine it's their way of influencing the Tory manifesto.
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PostRe: The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Snap Election for 8th June
by Grumpy David » Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:43 pm





Dayum!

Scottish data out soon but in the meantime:





On the NHS:



Corbyn isn't even more trusted on the NHS. :fp:

Scotland:



Almost unbelievable!

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