The 2017 UK General Election Thread - Voting open today from 7am - 10pm

[Errkal]

http://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/parties/liberal-democrats/tim-farron/tim-farron-repeatedly-dodges-lbcs-question/

Farron's going to be dogged by this throughout the campaign isn't he? Such obvious avoidance about whether gay sex is a sin. He should just lie and say he doesn't believe it's a sin.

I agree it's such an easy thing to do, politicians lie everyday but maybe because he sees himself as such a strong Christian he's struggling to lie about it and believes he will go to hell if he acknowledges their rights.

He already announced he thought it wasn't a sin, although i imagine that will be ignored as a fact because it doesn't let people bang on about it.

[Qikz]

The media are doing a damned good job of hiding May's faults. No Bias in the media though, right?

[NickSCFC]

The media are doing a damned good job of hiding May's faults. No Bias in the media though, right?

The Guardian, The Mirror, Channel 4 News...

[Pancake]

There is a world of difference between The Sun / Daily Mail and The Guardian, anyone can see that. I wish The Telegraph and The Guardian were the most popular newspapers in the country.

[Moggy]

The fact Nick can only name three (and Channel 4 news isn't really left) out of all of our media shows just what a problem there is.

[captain red dog]

http://www.lbc.co.uk/politics/parties/liberal-democrats/tim-farron/tim-farron-repeatedly-dodges-lbcs-question/

Farron's going to be dogged by this throughout the campaign isn't he? Such obvious avoidance about whether gay sex is a sin. He should just lie and say he doesn't believe it's a sin.

I agree it's such an easy thing to do, politicians lie everyday but maybe because he sees himself as such a strong Christian he's struggling to lie about it and believes he will go to hell if he acknowledges their rights.

He already announced he thought it wasn't a sin, although i imagine that will be ignored as a fact because it doesn't let people bang on about it.

He said in parliament that he didn't think being gay is a sin. The question he was asked here was whether gay sex was a sin and he refused to answer.

[Floex]

So relaxed. His posture

twitter.com/marrshow/status/856068495057932289

That was great

[Pancake]

Corbyn often comes across as a well spoken, nice old man.

What is it about him that makes him 'unelectable'? Why do so many Labour supporters and liberals dislike him and consider him to be a disaster? Is it simply because Labour have suffered in the polls since he became leader? And if so, why has he suffered in the polls?

I think I have assimilated the view that he is useless and unelectable because I hear it expressed so frequently but when I actually think about it, I'm not sure I can put my figure on what is wrong with him.

Things I have so far:
1. Total lack of leadership during referendum, only vaguely and unconvincingly backing a remain position
2. Potentially troublesome link to the IRA but he is clearly a pacifist so it seems a stretch to think that he supported the IRA's terrorist actions
3. Strong belief in nuclear disarmament, which seems to put a lot of people off, although it seems like a reasonable position to me
4. Lack of strong leadership in general, perhaps


I'd be interested to hear what other people think!

[Moggy]

I'd take Corbyn over May, I am not a fan of his at all, but he's better than the alternative.

However, he doesn't come across as somebody that can deal with the role of being a leader. I see very little opposition coming from him, at a time when we need a powerful opposition voice. If he can't oppose the Tory party, how can he be expected to oppose other world leaders when he needs to?

Brexit for me was the final straw with him. I can't support a Brexit supporter and he was hypocritical as strawberry float when he tried to impose a three line whip on his party to get them to vote Brexit through. After a political lifetime of opposing his own party from the bankbenches, he then tries to force them to vote his way?

I hope he wins as he the only person with any (however small) chance of beating May, but I will not be voting for his party.

[Rocsteady]

Corbyn often comes across as a well spoken, nice old man.

What is it about him that makes him 'unelectable'? Why do so many Labour supporters and liberals dislike him and consider him to be a disaster? Is it simply because Labour have suffered in the polls since he became leader? And if so, why has he suffered in the polls?

I think I have assimilated the view that he is useless and unelectable because I hear it expressed so frequently but when I actually think about it, I'm not sure I can put my figure on what is wrong with him.

Things I have so far:
1. Total lack of leadership during referendum, only vaguely and unconvincingly backing a remain position
2. Potentially troublesome link to the IRA but he is clearly a pacifist so it seems a stretch to think that he supported the IRA's terrorist actions
3. Strong belief in nuclear disarmament, which seems to put a lot of people off, although it seems like a reasonable position to me
4. Lack of strong leadership in general, perhaps


I'd be interested to hear what other people think!

I think he's just not politically astute at all.

Nuclear disarmament, for example, isn't a massive problem although it's a divisive issue. But he ignores far more pressing matters to ensure his voice on such minority issues is heard. At PMQ's he's regularly dogmatic, choosing to talk about minority issues or ignores the issues of the day - he can't think of the fly and doesn't like debating Brexit in the HoC.

Part of the problem is he doesn't have a prime ministerial quality; he'd be one of the most powerful people in the world but seems doddering and confused in how to effectively dictate policy to his party. He can't control his party at all.

He refused to sing the national anthem ( I don't care, but come on. Politics 101.)

He gave shadow chancellor to a man who thinks it's a good idea to proffer Mao books.

He did that ridiculous stunt with Virgin Trains.

His immediate response to Brexit was highly unpopular with remainers, despite Labour voters predominantly voting for remain.

This is just off the top of my head. And I don't even particularly mind the guy.

[Preezy]

He just seems a bit of a weakling to me, doesn't inspire confidence and reminds me of that annoying neighbour who'll complain about the people across the street who've painted their door a different colour.

And yeah all that stuff above that more enlightened men than I have said.

[Lagamorph]

He's also often at odds with his own party, with party policy saying one thing and Corbyn saying/doing the complete opposite. He has no control over his own party when they're not even in power. How can he be expected to do anything if the party did get into power when he could essentially be held hostage by dissenting groups of his own MPs incredibly easily?

[Hexx]

Lack of knowledge or mental agility.

Intransigent insistence on superiority of his own position

Inability to compromise - impossible to see how he can govern

Nice sound ideas, missing any sensible method of delivery or confidence in him to deliver the logistics of implementing.

And DIANE ABBOTT!

[Pancake]

Good stuff

Yes thanks, that's a good way of putting it. He has strong opinions on minority issues and persistently concentrates on them rather than tackling more pressing issues which makes him seem out of touch with the country.

He's also often at odds with his own party, with party policy saying one thing and Corbyn saying/doing the complete opposite. He has no control over his own party when they're not even in power. How can he be expected to do anything if the party did get into power when he could essentially be held hostage by dissenting groups of his own MPs incredibly easily?

I'm inclined to blame the Labour MPs as much as Corbyn on this one.

[Drumstick]

On the topic of Corbyn:

-Comes across as relatively spineless
-Has simply allowed the Tories to get away with doing whatever they want
-The majority of this message board could destroy him in a political debate
-Clueless about which topics will win or lose him votes

Like why is he not shouting daily about everything May has cocked up or backtracked on to paint her as massively untrustworthy to those that are considering voting for her? It is the footballing equivalent of a tap-in from two yards out and yet he is blasting his shot over the bar, out the bloody stadium and judging by the amount of egg that regularly ends up on his face, the ball probably clatters into his car and damages his wing mirror before landing.

[Pancake]

Nice sound ideas, missing any sensible method of delivery or confidence in him to deliver the logistics of implementing.

Also a good way of putting it. Thanks guys!

[Lagamorph]

There's also all of the Momentum nastiness surrounding him.

[Death's Head]

FFS. No one is seeing the 4 extra public holidays.

[Hexx]

FFS. No one I seeing the 4 extra public holidays.

I know I'm one to talk...but what the feck are you trying to say?

[Death's Head]

FFS. No one I seeing the 4 extra public holidays.

I know I'm one to talk...but what the feck are you trying to say?

Forget all the other gooseberry fool people are spouting, 4 extra public holidays are on offer.