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Grumpy David wrote:The only way it makes sense is if you assume Labour will get someone equally incompetent in to replace Corbyn because their voting system thanks to Ed Miliband allows the nutty people to win.

In defence of Ed, the changes were supported across the centre and right of the party because it reduced the power of union voters and increased the power of ordinary party members. This was assumed to benefit the less left wing candidates in a future contest. A round of applause for the Labour party intelligentsia please.

This election is all about how much ground the Conservatives take from Labour.

It'll be the end of Corbyn, but he could easily be replaced by another militant leftie.

NickSCFC wrote:This election is all about how much ground the Conservatives take from Labour.

It'll be the end of Corbyn, but he could easily be replaced by another militant leftie.

A militant lefty is absolutely not what Labour need.

Tineash wrote:

Grumpy David wrote:The only way it makes sense is if you assume Labour will get someone equally incompetent in to replace Corbyn because their voting system thanks to Ed Miliband allows the nutty people to win.

In defence of Ed, the changes were supported across the centre and right of the party because it reduced the power of union voters and increased the power of ordinary party members. This was assumed to benefit the less left wing candidates in a future contest. A round of applause for the Labour party intelligentsia please.

Best £3 I ever spent!

Just strawberry floating bring back the Miliband Bros.

Drumstick wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:This election is all about how much ground the Conservatives take from Labour.

It'll be the end of Corbyn, but he could easily be replaced by another militant leftie.

A militant lefty is absolutely not what Labour need.

Certainly not, it's what Momentum and Unite want though, and they run Labour now.

Alvin Flummux wrote:Just strawberry floating bring back the Miliband Bros.

Unelectable

They need another centrist, like a Blair MK2.

NickSCFC wrote:

Alvin Flummux wrote:Just strawberry floating bring back the Miliband Bros.

Unelectable

They need another centrist, lie a Blair MK2.

David Miliband was supposed to be that, which is why he lost.

Grumpy David wrote: Classic KP.

It's due to the population shifts that naturally happen over time...

Sure, but as you well know there are several easily-addressable flaws (I guess not 'flaws' if you're a Tory!) with the proposed boundaries that they refuse to fix in their proposal. Reducing the number of MPs is unnecessary and only being done because it advantages the Tories, and the same applies for basing it on the anomalous 2016 voting register. The historical pro-Labour bias in boundaries is also less relevant with an SNP-controlled Scotland. After the boundary redraw, the bias will swing further in magnitude to the Tories than it has ever been for Labour. You know this, and if you really cared about democracy you wouldn't support it.

I'm personally in favour of proportional representation, the only system that ensures every vote is meaningful.

Grumpy David wrote:Best £3 I ever spent!

Further evidence that your preferred form of government is Tory dictatorship. I daresay you'd vote for the Enabling Act if it were a Conservative at the helm.

NickSCFC wrote:Certainly not, it's what Momentum and Unite want though, and they run Labour now.

If that's the case then I guess they aren't interested in getting Labour back into power.

I look forward to the Live debates. Corbyn will probably say something about tea and crumpets is key to solving the problem of ISIS. Russ Abbott will talk about HER MAN. Livingstone will turn up afterwards on Sky News and mention Hitler. All good fun.

KK wrote:I look forward to the Live debates. Corbyn will probably say something about tea and crumpets is key to solving the problem of ISIS. Russ Abbott will talk about HER MAN. Livingtone will turn up afterwards on Sky News and mention Hitler. All good fun.

It also means more Paul Nuttalls of the UKIPs which should be amusing.

Good call from May. Should give us a healthy majority.

Drumstick wrote:

NickSCFC wrote:Certainly not, it's what Momentum and Unite want though, and they run Labour now.

If that's the case then I guess they aren't interested in getting Labour back into power.

They are, and quite passionate about it, they're also deluded.

May's put in a complaint to Sky News after Boulton surmised she was possibly leaving on health grounds.

KK wrote:May's put in a complaint to Sky News after Boulton surmised she was possibly leaving on health grounds.

Good. It's strawberry floating shoddy & irresponsible. Also Boulton's a banana split and everyone knows it.

Karl wrote:

Grumpy David wrote: Classic KP.

It's due to the population shifts that naturally happen over time...

Sure, but as you well know there are several easily-addressable flaws (I guess not 'flaws' if you're a Tory!) with the proposed boundaries that they refuse to fix in their proposal. Reducing the number of MPs is unnecessary and only being done because it advantages the Tories, and the same applies for basing it on the anomalous 2016 voting register. The historical pro-Labour bias in boundaries is also less relevant with an SNP-controlled Scotland. After the boundary redraw, the bias will swing further in magnitude to the Tories than it has ever been for Labour. You know this, and if you really cared about democracy you wouldn't support it.

I'm personally in favour of proportional representation, the only system that ensures every vote is meaningful.

Grumpy David wrote:Best £3 I ever spent!

Further evidence that your preferred form of government is Tory dictatorship. I daresay you'd vote for the Enabling Act if it were a Conservative at the helm.

When did Labour last have a majority that only worked by including their Scottish MPs? You'd have to go back many decades?

I would prefer a reduction in House of Lords before a reduction in the Commons but I think both could be smaller.

I thought the £3 comment was a joke but to be clear, I didn't pay £3 to vote Corbyn. I was mocking the ridiculous system they have in place.

Hopefully, this will mean that the Lib Dems can take a bunch of seats in pro EU areas. Having a large base will help make larger gains in 2022, especially if Brexit goes badly.

People will turn on the Tories if the economy turns bad and their are no jobs about. I mean even though it would be true, the Tories can hardly blame the Brexit vote for any economic failure that happens.

Denster wrote:Good call from May. Should give us a healthy majority.

Got a few more disabled people you want to be forced into work?

I can see Lib Dems making some gains by being the only mainstream Remain party left.