The day the gaming industry died - E3 2010

The gaming industry may have died on Monday, but it was reborn on Tuesday. It will be making love by Wednesday.

Rik wrote:I think MS have realised that E3 is commented on by the mainstream media and that is why they used it for established franchises and the Kinect push.

They can talk to gamers about core product all year.

You've changed your tune since Microsoft went after the non gamers and Nintendo went core. Pathetic really

Rik wrote:I think MS have realised that E3 is commented on by the mainstream media and that is why they used it for established franchises and the Kinect push.

They can talk to gamers about core product all year.

Astonishing I bet you weren't saying this about the past two Nintendo conferences. I'll repeat what I said in the Microsoft conference thread:

Mafro wrote:Nintendo 2008: strawberry floating casuals pathetic, look at them dancing and flailing about

Microsoft 2010: It's alright folks, it isn't aimed at us, everything is fine. Move along.

Mafro wrote:

Rik wrote:I think MS have realised that E3 is commented on by the mainstream media and that is why they used it for established franchises and the Kinect push.

They can talk to gamers about core product all year.

Astonishing I bet you weren't saying this about the past two Nintendo conferences. I'll repeat what I said in the Microsoft conference thread:

Mafro wrote:Nintendo 2008: strawberry floating casuals pathetic, look at them dancing and flailing about

Microsoft 2010: It's alright folks, it isn't aimed at us, everything is fine. Move along.

Funny thing is, is you're completely right on peoples reactions.

Rik wrote:

Probably the worst thing to come out of this E3 is just how excited people are for a new Xbox (for some, more than anything else at the show), and thus how much what people are playing on bothers them.

People may want the wireless, the bigger HDD, the silent running, the optical out, the extra USB ports, the saving on another power supply for kinect or even the look to match their HDTV.

Why is that bad?

Because it feels like these consoles have so much more potential. I know now follow-ups have been announced yet, but they all feel so new still (if we ignore the Wii's visuals). I find it hard to believe I've had my 360 for 5 years as it still feels slightly spangly.

Part of this could be due to getting a HDTV mid-gen, so perhaps it's had a sly visual boost that other consoles never got during their lifespan.

Gamers seem to have an almost soulless obsession with technology, and clamour for a new console/new model everytime a new advance comes out. I'm not bothered about the silent running, the power supply or extra bloody USB ports. Is this all a new console generation can offer us? Did games always blindly play catch up to the power of TVs? I think it's because we are reaching somewhat of a graphical plateau, so the old trick of simply upping the visuals no longer works. So gamers feel they need all the latest technological gubbins. I have no urge for my games console to be the mainframe of all my home networking, unlike most gamers. I don't feel like I have an expensive TV to get the most out of (or, at worst, justify), I've got loads of space on my hard drive and I am not up to my balls in loads of superfluous USB wires either.

This gen has loads of juice left it in - the best game I've played of this generation - Super Mario Galaxy - was running on a souped-up Gamecube by all accounts ferchrissake. What most people think was the best E3 conference, showcased the console will the worst visual prowess.

It's baffling that people would want some new technology, when some developers haven't even pushed the boundaries of the current stuff yet. The PS3 feels like it has only just started to get momentum behind it, the 360 still keeps up with it graphically and arguably only the Wii needs upgrading. Even then, the sales figures suggest that people are happy with it.

Gamers are a bit like an ungrateful husband. What they've got at home is perfectly acceptable - fantastic, even - but after five years, they always keep itching for something new. I could easily stay with my 360 for another three or four years; sure, her snoring keeps me awake sometimes, and the old bird isn't as steady on her knees as she was, but there's no reason for me to have a fumble elsewhere.

You know, just because you start getting games with "3" in the title, doesn't mean we need a new console. I think gamers go into automatic when they see those.

suzzopher wrote:

Rik wrote:I think MS have realised that E3 is commented on by the mainstream media and that is why they used it for established franchises and the Kinect push.

They can talk to gamers about core product all year.

You've changed your tune since Microsoft went after the non gamers and Nintendo went core. Pathetic really

How is the truth "Pathetic"

E3 is the gaming event reported on by the mainstream press, therefore if you have a mainstream message with established product and the casual push then you know it will get reported on here.

I'm not saying I like it I'm saying that is why they put on the show they did, Nintendo have been doing this for years.

I think the Kinect stuff really suffered from a single point of focus, to be honest. Yes, it's impressive that they've got a lot of interesting titles in the works for the platform, but it could really have done with a cheerleader game, like Wii Sports.

Mafro wrote:

Rik wrote:I think MS have realised that E3 is commented on by the mainstream media and that is why they used it for established franchises and the Kinect push.

They can talk to gamers about core product all year.

Astonishing I bet you weren't saying this about the past two Nintendo conferences.

Not aimed at Rik in particular, but I'm certain that this did come up during that awful Nintendo E3 conference from a few years ago. We had, like you say, those mocking the motion control and then we had people trying to justify a pretty terrible showing by saying that it was simply aimed at the mainstream media.

I do wonder, as an aside, just how mainstream E3 actually is. It gets an arbitrary page on the BBC every year sure, maybe even a few minutes on News24, but I would still be amazed if anyone not massively concerned with gaming knew what it is. I mean, my friends all play games (most of them have two out of the three consoles at least), but they will have no idea what or when E3 is.

But you ripped Nintendo to gooseberry fool over the years for doing what Microsoft did(and Sony at GDC), yet you let this slide as "It's not meant for me". It's double standards mate.

Parksey wrote:

Rik wrote:

Probably the worst thing to come out of this E3 is just how excited people are for a new Xbox (for some, more than anything else at the show), and thus how much what people are playing on bothers them.

People may want the wireless, the bigger HDD, the silent running, the optical out, the extra USB ports, the saving on another power supply for kinect or even the look to match their HDTV.

Why is that bad?

Because it feels like these consoles have so much more potential. I know now follow-ups have been announced yet, but they all feel so new still (if we ignore the Wii's visuals). I find it hard to believe I've had my 360 for 5 years as it still feels slightly spangly.

Part of this could be due to getting a HDTV mid-gen, so perhaps it's had a sly visual boost that other consoles never got during their lifespan.

Gamers seem to have an almost soulless obsession with technology, and clamour for a new console/new model everytime a new advance comes out. I'm not bothered about the silent running, the power supply or extra bloody USB ports. Is this all a new console generation can offer us? Did games always blindly play catch up to the power of TVs? I think it's because we are reaching somewhat of a graphical plateau, so the old trick of simply upping the visuals no longer works. So gamers feel they need all the latest technological gubbins. I have no urge for my games console to be the mainframe of all my home networking, unlike most gamers. I don't feel like I have an expensive TV to get the most out of (or, at worst, justify), I've got loads of space on my hard drive and I am not up to my balls in loads of superfluous USB wires either.

This gen has loads of juice left it in - the best game I've played of this generation - Super Mario Galaxy - was running on a souped-up Gamecube by all accounts ferchrissake. What most people think was the best E3 conference, showcased the console will the worst visual prowess.

It's baffling that people would want some new technology, when some developers haven't even pushed the boundaries of the current stuff yet. The PS3 feels like it has only just started to get momentum behind it, the 360 still keeps up with it graphically and arguably only the Wii needs upgrading. Even then, the sales figures suggest that people are happy with it.

Gamers are a bit like an ungrateful husband. What they've got at home is perfectly acceptable - fantastic, even - but after five years, they always keep itching for something new. I could easily stay with my 360 for another three or four years; sure, her snoring keeps me awake sometimes, and the old bird isn't as steady on her knees as she was, but there's no reason for me to have a fumble elsewhere.

You know, just because you start getting games with "3" in the title, doesn't mean we need a new console. I think gamers go into automatic when they see those.

You're are talking about two very different things, a refinement of what we have and a new generation of consoles. The whole point of the refinement is to extend this generation which is what you seem to want.

So once again, why is that bad?

suzzopher wrote:But you ripped Nintendo to gooseberry fool over the years for doing what Microsoft did(and Sony at GDC), yet you let this slide as "It's not meant for me". It's double standards mate.

I said in the MS thread I wasn't impressed.

I think you're confusing what I personally want to see and the reasons I can see for MS putting on the show they did.

No double standards at all.

To be fair you Rik you have been very down on Nintendo over the years, and have said alot more than 'I'm not impressed' when they've shown causual stuff, ususally it would involve alot of and you don't seem to be giving Microsoft the same treatment

FirstSecond wrote:To be fair you Rik you have been very down on Nintendo over the years, and have said alot more than 'I'm not impressed' when they've shown causual stuff, ususally it would involve alot of and you don't seem to be giving Microsoft the same treatment

I actually said

I'm fat and happy so strawberry float off

If I'd said that in an E3 Nintendo show I'd be on the E3 ban list, that's double standards

rudderless wrote:(Btw, I'm amazed anyone can consider Sony's conference as anything other than third place. That's the overwhelming feeling here.)

Really? Microsoft didn't show anything interesting at all really, I felt Move came across much better than Kinect - at least Move actually has original games as opposed to me-too shovelware.

I struggle to accept that anyone other than the most ardent fanboys could put MS ahead of Sony. Are you sure Sony's didn't seem poor because you'd just come from Nintendo's? It was a heck of a tough act to follow.

Sony had 35 minutes in a row of absolutely nothing in their conference yesterday.

That's just plain bad, whoever you are.

Shadow wrote:

rudderless wrote:(Btw, I'm amazed anyone can consider Sony's conference as anything other than third place. That's the overwhelming feeling here.)

Really? Microsoft didn't show anything interesting at all really, I felt Move came across much better than Kinect - at least Move actually has original games as opposed to me-too shovelware.

I struggle to accept that anyone other than the most ardent fanboys could put MS ahead of Sony. Are you sure Sony's didn't seem poor because you'd just come from Nintendo's? It was a heck of a tough act to follow.

They only got to demo everything and see everything in person, what would they know?

Shadow wrote:

rudderless wrote:(Btw, I'm amazed anyone can consider Sony's conference as anything other than third place. That's the overwhelming feeling here.)

Really? Microsoft didn't show anything interesting at all really, I felt Move came across much better than Kinect - at least Move actually has original games as opposed to me-too shovelware.

I struggle to accept that anyone other than the most ardent fanboys could put MS ahead of Sony. Are you sure Sony's didn't seem poor because you'd just come from Nintendo's? It was a heck of a tough act to follow.

Gotta agree with you here Shadow, Sony showed more games, had more content and Move wasn't shown to us as a Wii too event. It was light years behind Nintendo's and EA for me.

Part 2 is up.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18609_more-proof-video-game-industry-out-ideas-e3-2010.html

He's still not inpressed.

Zellery wrote:

Shadow wrote:

rudderless wrote:(Btw, I'm amazed anyone can consider Sony's conference as anything other than third place. That's the overwhelming feeling here.)

Really? Microsoft didn't show anything interesting at all really, I felt Move came across much better than Kinect - at least Move actually has original games as opposed to me-too shovelware.

I struggle to accept that anyone other than the most ardent fanboys could put MS ahead of Sony. Are you sure Sony's didn't seem poor because you'd just come from Nintendo's? It was a heck of a tough act to follow.

They only got to demo everything and see everything in person, what would they know?

You don't demo the games at the conferences though (except Nintendo's).

superb.