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by Gemini73 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:47 pm

Lotus wrote:If I could work 8am-6pm Mon-Thu and have Friday off, I'd jump at the chance. The 5:2 ratio of work days:weekends is skewed in the wrong way. 4:3 would be much better. Would only work for typical 9-5 jobs I guess, would be so nice.


We used to have an 8am-6pm rota where our two days off would rotate backwards, meaning every several weeks you'd get Friday through Monday off.

Most, myself included, would like to see it return. Current middle-management are refusing to budge on it, however NHS facilities are being moved into a subsidiary company next April so a whole bunch of stuff is going to change - including middle-management either being replaced or removed altogether, leaving our staff coordinators to run the show. Which should have been the case for years.

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PostRe: The Work Thread
by Moggy » Tue Oct 24, 2017 9:21 am

I have worked “compressed hours” for years now. I used to have Fridays off, but swapped it to Monday earlier this year. It means long days, but having the extra day for the weekend means that overall it is awesome.

Didn’t the law change a few years ago to give everyone the right to ask to go part time/change hours and they can only refuse if they give you a proper business reason for it? If anybody wants to do it, then it has to be worth asking!

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PostRe: The Work Thread
by Death's Head » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:23 am

What do you consider "compressed hours"? Most days I work 8.15 to 6 or 6.30pm with Fridays always being until at least 6pm, but usually 7 or 7.30.

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by Errkal » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:24 am

Compressed is doing the equivalent of 37.5 hours but over 4 days instead of 5.

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by Moggy » Tue Oct 24, 2017 10:27 am

Errkal wrote:Compressed is doing the equivalent of 37.5 hours but over 4 days instead of 5.


Depends on what the full time equivalent hours are.

My office has a 35 hour working week (the classic 9 to 5), so I fit 35 hours into 4 days rather than 5. So 8 hours 45 minutes per day rather than 7 hours.

I work 7am to 4.30pm, with a 45 minute lunch break.

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by <]:^D » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:14 am

Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:Compressed is doing the equivalent of 37.5 hours but over 4 days instead of 5.


Depends on what the full time equivalent hours are.

My office has a 35 hour working week (the classic 9 to 5), so I fit 35 hours into 4 days rather than 5. So 8 hours 45 minutes per day rather than 7 hours.

I post on GrCade from 7am to 4.30pm, with a 45 minute lunch break.


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by Moggy » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:20 am

<]:^D wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:Compressed is doing the equivalent of 37.5 hours but over 4 days instead of 5.


Depends on what the full time equivalent hours are.

My office has a 35 hour working week (the classic 9 to 5), so I fit 35 hours into 4 days rather than 5. So 8 hours 45 minutes per day rather than 7 hours.

I post on GrCade from 7am to 4.30pm, with a 45 minute lunch break.


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Pretty much :lol: :toot:

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by Errkal » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:21 am

Moggy wrote:
<]:^D wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Errkal wrote:Compressed is doing the equivalent of 37.5 hours but over 4 days instead of 5.


Depends on what the full time equivalent hours are.

My office has a 35 hour working week (the classic 9 to 5), so I fit 35 hours into 4 days rather than 5. So 8 hours 45 minutes per day rather than 7 hours.

I post on GrCade from 7am to 4.30pm, with a 45 minute post on GRcade from outside break.


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Pretty much :lol: :toot:

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PostRe: The Work Thread
by Drumstick » Tue Oct 24, 2017 11:30 am

I was talking to the wife about this last night. Definitely something I'm considering for 2018.

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PostRe: The Work Thread
by Death's Head » Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:53 pm

Jeez, I do 40 hours over 4 days and then Friday on top. Surprised companies still exist that allow the luxury of clock watching so exactly the correct hours are done.

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by Moggy » Tue Oct 24, 2017 1:47 pm

Death's Head wrote:Jeez, I do 40 hours over 4 days and then Friday on top. Surprised companies still exist that allow the luxury of clock watching so exactly the correct hours are done.


It's not really about clock watching, I sometimes work late if the work is there that needs doing.

Working 40 hours over 4 days plus a Friday (I assume another 10 hours?). strawberry float me, there is no way I would do that, life is about more than work.

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by Drumstick » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:07 pm

I would imagine that DH is in a very senior position to be working such long hours in an office.

Hats off to you though, I'd struggle to work 40 hours over 5 days, let alone 4. Earlier this year I worked roughly 30 hours of overtime in a month to help deliver a project on time and was shattered by the end.

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PostRe: The Work Thread
by Moggy » Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:10 pm

Drumstick wrote:I would imagine that DH is in a very senior position to be working such long hours in an office.


And that’s exactly why I don’t want to move up the ladder much further than I am. I value my free and family time much more than earning a bit more.

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PostRe: The Work Thread
by Rocsteady » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:25 am

Anyone know anything about employment law here?

My partner's working in a bar where they pay weekly but she hasn't managed to get a bank account set up yet for a couple of reasons. They're saying that they can't pay her until she has an account but surely they must have to offer an alternative of cash or cheque? Pretty sure it's not a legal requirement to have a bank account to be able to work.

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by Green Gecko » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:44 am

They probably are just being an arse because they want to do things the way that they do and they're not set up to give cheques. It doesn't matter, she must be paid when she is contracted to be paid unless possibly the contract stipulates the method of payment, I'm pretty sure that is overruled by wage laws however, she should demand payment within 7 days or something.

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PostRe: The Work Thread
by Rocsteady » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:47 pm

She hasn't even actually signed a contract, not sure if that will make it more or less difficult to push through.

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PostRe: RE: Re: The Work Thread
by pjbetman » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:48 pm

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pjbetman wrote:Key Performance Indicator?

Like anything else in the corporatesphere (I think I just made that up!), it's designed only to benefit the company and not the employee. When it comes down to redundancies or promotions or even budget allocations, they'll be using KPI crap to justify it, even though it is an almost wholly subjective exercise. They can highlight any of the key factors in order to meet their hidden agenda. It takes away good management skills and gives poor managers an easy way to make hard decisions, i.e hiding behind a number.
Of course it benefits the company, it is at company level, not employee level. It isn't there to justify bad things, but to measure performance of certain business related things. Any company that is using them just to justify easy options probably isn't looking to grow and may have a limited lifespan.


Ah I see, I thought these were staff performance related things, not business/management related things.

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PostRe: The Work Thread
by Moggy » Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:51 pm

Rocsteady wrote:Anyone know anything about employment law here?

My partner's working in a bar where they pay weekly but she hasn't managed to get a bank account set up yet for a couple of reasons. They're saying that they can't pay her until she has an account but surely they must have to offer an alternative of cash or cheque? Pretty sure it's not a legal requirement to have a bank account to be able to work.


It's not a legal requirement to have a bank account, but I doubt it's a legal requirement to pay people in cash/cheque either. It could be part of the terms of employment that you have to be paid into a bank account.

You said she hasn't signed a contract yet, does the employer even have contracts? If so, what does it say?

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PostRe: The Work Thread
by pjbetman » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:00 pm

Death's Head wrote:Jeez, I do 40 hours over 4 days and then Friday on top. Surprised companies still exist that allow the luxury of clock watching so exactly the correct hours are done.


Did you know that if you do more than your contracted hours, that when you take annual leave they should be paying you for your average number of daily hours? So, if you averaged 50 hours per week, they should be paying you for 50 hours when you take annual paid leave. This can be backdated too (I think up to 6 years).

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PostRe: The Work Thread
by Green Gecko » Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:02 pm

If there's no written contract then it defaults to implied/oral contract, in which case unless they told her they required a UK bank account in order to do the job, which I don't think matters anyway, she must be paid by whatever means. You can't just withhold payment if this term wasn't understood, and you certainly can't not pay somebody. If they stated she would be paid weekly then she must be paid, it's not your girlfriends problem.

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