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by Qikz » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:16 pm

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Qikz wrote:I know I've mentioned being ill a lot, but I'm genuinely worried about something. I went in today to work, lasted about 3 hours before my boss said go home and get better. This is all well and good and I'm glad I could come home, but I'm really worried about my wages this month. I've only been off 2 (and now about 2 and a half) days and I'm really worried how it's going to affect my wages.

According to my contract I only get SSP and no more than that, but I don't really understand how it works and was never taught about it. I've only actually taken 2 days off sick in my entire 2 years prior before so I never noticed anything, but I should be fine right? I'm worried that if I get SSP for a week them I'm not going to be able to afford my rent/bills at the end of the month. God I feel so stupid.


You get no sick days? Just straight on to SSP?

SSP is like £90 a week - but IIRC it's only after youve been off work for few days in a row ...


See, this is what I don't get. This is what it says in my contract:

There is no contractual sickness/injury payments scheme in addition to SSP. Any additional payments which may be made will be at our absolute discretion

I don't get what this means at all. Does that mean nothing in addition to SSP on longer term sickness breaks?

I guess asking you guys isn't exactly the best way of doing this because you won't know either, but maybe you'll be able to work out the wording.
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by Lagamorph » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:21 pm

SSP only kicks in if you're off ill for 4 days in a row.

You can get £89.35 per week Statutory Sick Pay (SSP) if you’re too ill to work. It’s paid by your employer for up to 28 weeks.

You need to qualify for SSP and have been off work sick for 4 or more days in a row (including non-working days).

You can’t get less than the statutory amount. You can get more if your company has a sick pay scheme (or ‘occupational scheme’) - check your employment contract.



From the sounds of your contract the company can, at their discretion, still pay you if you're off ill which they may do if you've been off for too short a time to qualify for SSP. You'll need to discuss it with your line manager/HR department to get a clear answer.
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by Hexx » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:26 pm

Check with your HR team/line manager.

Sounds like they're ok with days here or there but would be protected in long term sickness or repeated (if your off every Monday for example)

But that's just an opinion
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by Qikz » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:29 pm

Hexx wrote:Check with your HR team/line manager.

Sounds like they're ok with days here or there but would be protected in long term sickness or repeated (if your off every Monday for example)

But that's just an opinion


One thing I guess is my bosses really like me, so I don't think they'd do anything to deliberately strawberry float me over pay wise. Especially given the fact he straight up told me to go home and get better.
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by Errkal » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:36 pm

Ask HR or payroll they will be able to tell you.
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by Hexx » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:38 pm

Qikz wrote:
Hexx wrote:Check with your HR team/line manager.

Sounds like they're ok with days here or there but would be protected in long term sickness or repeated (if your off every Monday for example)

But that's just an opinion


One thing I guess is my bosses really like me, so I don't think they'd do anything to deliberately strawberry float me over pay wise. Especially given the fact he straight up told me to go home and get better.


I don't know you might have to sleep with them...
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by Qikz » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:45 pm

Errkal wrote:Ask HR or payroll they will be able to tell you.


We don't technically have anyone who does HR and the person who does Payroll is one of our bosses wife. :dread:
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by Hexx » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:46 pm

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Errkal wrote:Ask HR or payroll they will be able to tell you.


We don't technically have anyone who does HR and the person who does Payroll is one of our bosses wife. :dread:


Don't tell them you're sleeping with the boss.

I though you worked for HMRC for some reason
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by Errkal » Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:52 pm

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Errkal wrote:Ask HR or payroll they will be able to tell you.


We don't technically have anyone who does HR and the person who does Payroll is one of our bosses wife. :dread:


Ask the boss then, if it is your first time being off ill like this they will understand.

Odds are it will be fine, if not as Hexx says get on your knees and suck it up, but don't tell his wife.
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by That's not a growth » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:25 pm

Don't tell him you're giving the blowie first though, that'll just make it weird. Just walk over, and without bending your knees rotate your upper body at the hips until it's parallel to the ground, undo his fly with your teeth and go at it.
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by Ad7 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:17 pm

Qikz wrote:One thing I guess is my bosses really like me, so I don't think they'd do anything to deliberately strawberry float me over pay wise. Especially given the fact he straight up told me to go home and get better.


Qikz wrote:my boss said go home and get better.


Qikz wrote:One thing I guess is my bosses really like me, so I don't think they'd do anything to deliberately strawberry float me over pay wise. Especially given the fact he straight up told me to go home and get better.


Qikz wrote:my boss said go home and get better.


Qikz wrote:my bosses really like me


Qikz wrote:he straight up told me to go home


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by Floex » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:22 pm

:lol: :lol:

SD, no need to panic. Your boss seems like a cool guy, ask him, if you haven't got HR, about sick pay and what the situation is. It will clear it all up and put your mind at ease.
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by Qikz » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:22 pm

I should have expanded on that.

He told me to "go home, rest up and get better" - I offered to work from home and he said "no, just rest!"
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by Cuttooth » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:18 pm

Ad7 wrote:
Qikz wrote:One thing I guess is my bosses really like me, so I don't think they'd do anything to deliberately strawberry float me over pay wise. Especially given the fact he straight up told me to go home and get better.


Qikz wrote:my boss said go home and get better.


Qikz wrote:One thing I guess is my bosses really like me, so I don't think they'd do anything to deliberately strawberry float me over pay wise. Especially given the fact he straight up told me to go home and get better.


Qikz wrote:my boss said go home and get better.


Qikz wrote:my bosses really like me


Qikz wrote:he straight up told me to go home


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by Qikz » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:45 pm

I did the sensible thing and emailed my boss with my concerns. He said he's never deducted someones pay before for being ill and he certainly wouldn't start with me so I shouldn't worry. I really do love my company. :wub:
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by Ad7 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:09 pm

and im sure he loves getting an email from an employee at gone 9pm in personal time.
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by Dual » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:13 pm

Cuttooth wrote:
Ad7 wrote:
Qikz wrote:One thing I guess is my bosses really like me, so I don't think they'd do anything to deliberately strawberry float me over pay wise. Especially given the fact he straight up told me to go home and get better.


Qikz wrote:my boss said go home and get better.


Qikz wrote:One thing I guess is my bosses really like me, so I don't think they'd do anything to deliberately strawberry float me over pay wise. Especially given the fact he straight up told me to go home and get better.


Qikz wrote:my boss said go home and get better.


Qikz wrote:my bosses really like me


Qikz wrote:he straight up told me to go home


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Howling. :lol:


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by Ad7 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:33 pm

I'll be honest, I cracked up when I previewed thst before posting when I saw the emoji in action :shifty:
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by Hexx » Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:18 pm

Ad7 wrote:and im sure he loves getting an email from an employee at gone 9pm in personal time.


If it's from Qikz he probably opened some wine and turned the lights down before opening.

He loved it
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by Green Gecko » Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:07 am

Qikz, you're working too hard.

Your manager is doing the responsible thing which is to ensure you are taking adequate rest when you are ill, or this will have longer term health implications as well as being kind of human rights issue.

It's important to recognise when you are eligible to take time off sick, and when you are told to go home because you are sick. People do not admire others who insist on working even when they are ill. This is a falsehood.

If you are ever concerned about docked pay due to sickness, tell your manager that you are facing financial trouble and you would greatly appreciate some paid sick leave. They will probably accommodate you unless repeated sickness is suspect, which in this case, it certainly isn't.

Your contract states that sick pay is awarded at their discretion.

Statutory Sick Pay (SSP) is legally required payments to you that you can claim if you have a doctors note, but only after 2 days of calling in sick. These first two days are called "self certified" which means, you are allowed to say, "I am sick", and it's up to your manager whether or not they believe you. In terms of SSP you are NOT paid for these 2 days (or any instance or sequence of 1/2 days at any other point, only in succession. For example if you take 3 individual sick days during a month you will not get SSP for the 3rd day.) You get SSP from the 3rd day in a row, not including weekends or other days where you normally don't work. The company is able to claim this money back from the government, so it is a kind of benefit. I believe it was about £2.80 per hour, barely anything really.

The reason it waits 2 days to kick in, is to prevent people taking the piss, on the governments terms. But most good companies will offer sick pay, in this case, they just decide to treat it on a case by case basis. If they decide to pay you for a few days sick it won't have any affect on your payslips. If you are paid SSP only it will show up on your payslip as a line called SSP or Statutory Sick Pay: whatever. They might write down the days of paid sick leave on your payslip too. I doubt they will give you both.

On good behaviour/performance, it's reasonable to assume that they would award you sick pay.

Don't worry about this too much, it just happens.

For the record, I only had SSP and was off for 2 weeks once and it was gooseberry fool. I couldn't pay for some things. In which case, the answer is, take care of yourself and don't get sick for long periods, which is what happens when you don't take sick days for shorter periods.

Nobody can just work 100% forever. You'll end up killing yourself.

Relax and remember that taking a day or 2 or 3 off to recover from an illness counts as "doing a thing" and remember it is part of your duty as a worker to take care of yourself and therefore your ability to work, as much as it is to work effectively when you are well. If you feel guilty about this on your sick days, I find it helps to tell yourself occasionally that "I am on a sick day, I am taking care of my body. I'm doing no work today and that's fine." Just watch Netflix or play games or whatever. Drink plenty of water and remember to eat well. Normally you'll be fine after a couple of days.

It took me quite a long time to understand that.
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