The Work Thread

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by Partridge Iciclebubbles » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:43 pm

Harry Ellis wrote:But make sure to pound them with the "you need me more than I need you"

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Oh and one last thing, put a time limit on your revised offer. An aggressive one (i.e. "you've got a week to consider your position on my offer. If I don't hear from you in 7 days, we're done and have nothing further to discuss.").


And also, tell them that the Irish border is their problem, not yours!

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by Harry Ellis » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:53 pm

:lol:

One man should not have this much power in this game. Luckily I'm not an ordinary man.
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by Tragic Magic » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:48 pm

:lol:

But seriously, thanks guys. GR is the best place on the internet.

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by Advent7 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:17 pm

I think my interview went well. Didn't get to show a lot of my portfolio as we did a lot of talking. I'll find out if I have a second interview soon hopefully.

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by Christmas CrackErrkal » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:19 pm

Fingers crossed!

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by Tragic Magic » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:16 pm

Work outright said no to my counter offer but to, very basically, summarise they said that my request was unrealistic and I'm unlikely to find anything better elsewhere. I stuck to my guns and kindly said that I would still be leaving in 2 weeks. They then offered that I stay on as a temp in my current role in case things don't work out for me elsewhere. So I said no to that as well. In the end I shook the boss's hand and thanked him for his advice and kind words and that's that.

Yes I'm shitting my pants for the future but I made this decision months ago and I'm only sticking to what I originally planned. It's just that hope of getting a satisfactory deal has left me feeling sore.

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by Tomous » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:31 pm

Tragic Magic wrote:Work outright said no to my counter offer but to, very basically, summarise they said that my request was unrealistic and I'm unlikely to find anything better elsewhere. I stuck to my guns and kindly said that I would still be leaving in 2 weeks. They then offered that I stay on as a temp in my current role in case things don't work out for me elsewhere. So I said no to that as well. In the end I shook the boss's hand and thanked him for his advice and kind words and that's that.

Yes I'm shitting my pants for the future but I made this decision months ago and I'm only sticking to what I originally planned. It's just that hope of getting a satisfactory deal has left me feeling sore.



Wasn't your request basically to get paid the going market rate for a person with your qualifications? I don't see how that's unrealistic.

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by Christmas CrackErrkal » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:33 pm

Tomous wrote:
Tragic Magic wrote:Work outright said no to my counter offer but to, very basically, summarise they said that my request was unrealistic and I'm unlikely to find anything better elsewhere. I stuck to my guns and kindly said that I would still be leaving in 2 weeks. They then offered that I stay on as a temp in my current role in case things don't work out for me elsewhere. So I said no to that as well. In the end I shook the boss's hand and thanked him for his advice and kind words and that's that.

Yes I'm shitting my pants for the future but I made this decision months ago and I'm only sticking to what I originally planned. It's just that hope of getting a satisfactory deal has left me feeling sore.



Wasn't your request basically to get paid the going market rate for a person with your qualifications? I don't see how that's unrealistic.


It was the going rate based on the national average as opposed to the going rate for the local average as rates change depending on where in the country you are.

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by Tragic Magic » Fri Dec 08, 2017 1:02 pm

Yeah that's right Erkal.

It was never even really about the money anyway. I hate the way the place is run and I knew they were unlikely to give me the pay rise so it was just a last chance for them to keep me really. It's just freshened the worry and uncertainty in me that I had previously been in control of.

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by Green Gecko » Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:49 pm

The other day I read that you should choose a boss not a job.

They don't value you.

Although the postcode lottery might be relevant your age is not. That's possibly discriminatory so a stupid bargaining position for them.

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by Slayerx » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:33 pm

Tragic Magic wrote:Yeah that's right Erkal.

It was never even really about the money anyway. I hate the way the place is run and I knew they were unlikely to give me the pay rise so it was just a last chance for them to keep me really. It's just freshened the worry and uncertainty in me that I had previously been in control of.


Do they know why you're leaving and in your opinion are the problems something they would be willing to fix should they be made aware of them?

Just curious as when I left Natwest I wrote about 4 pages on mismanagement and incidents of discrimination.

It didn't change anything but I felt obliged to try open their eyes.

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by shadow202 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:42 pm

Tragic Magic wrote:Work outright said no to my counter offer but to, very basically, summarise they said that my request was unrealistic and I'm unlikely to find anything better elsewhere. I stuck to my guns and kindly said that I would still be leaving in 2 weeks. They then offered that I stay on as a temp in my current role in case things don't work out for me elsewhere. So I said no to that as well. In the end I shook the boss's hand and thanked him for his advice and kind words and that's that.

Yes I'm shitting my pants for the future but I made this decision months ago and I'm only sticking to what I originally planned. It's just that hope of getting a satisfactory deal has left me feeling sore.
Well done on following through with it mate. A lot of people get comfortable in their job/at their company and then are afraid to leave because of the what if. I really hope it all works out well for you.

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by Tragic Magic » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:06 pm

Thank you Shadow. That type of person you described was me in my old job. In that job, the company I worked for were bought out and every aspect of it rapidly declined over a two year period. By the end I was working so much overtime, regularly working 12 hour days with no breaks and putting myself through hell for absolutely no benefit. The only reason I stayed there was the fear of the unknown, exactly as you've described, but when I was eventually made redundant, I realised that there are better things out there and the unknown doesn't have to be as terrifying as people would have you believe.

It's that experience that's given me the courage to just leave my current employer. I'm not happy at all where I'm working, although it was absolutely fantastic for the first year, so I'm not prepared to put myself through an emotional hell again for a job. Yes, jobs pay bills but I know I can find something elsewhere that will hopefully end up being better.

Health comes first, I guess.

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by shadow202 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:29 pm

Tragic Magic wrote:Thank you Shadow. That type of person you described was me in my old job. In that job, the company I worked for were bought out and every aspect of it rapidly declined over a two year period. By the end I was working so much overtime, regularly working 12 hour days with no breaks and putting myself through hell for absolutely no benefit. The only reason I stayed there was the fear of the unknown, exactly as you've described, but when I was eventually made redundant, I realised that there are better things out there and the unknown doesn't have to be as terrifying as people would have you believe.

It's that experience that's given me the courage to just leave my current employer. I'm not happy at all where I'm working, although it was absolutely fantastic for the first year, so I'm not prepared to put myself through an emotional hell again for a job. Yes, jobs pay bills but I know I can find something elsewhere that will hopefully end up being better.

Health comes first, I guess.
I'm going through something the same I've been with my current company for 10 years (since I was 18 so pretty much my whole adult life) I've got an interview for another company next week and I'm bricking it because what if I've strawberry floated everything up leaving the company I'm comfortable with.

It's good that you've got the experience of going through something similar before and you know you can do better, good luck with the job hunting mate

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by Tragic Magic » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:45 pm

Good luck to you too, man. I was with my first company for 8 years and I only left 2 years ago so I share your current feelings and they still feel pretty fresh. We'll both come out of this stronger and better.

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by KK » Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:04 pm

One Iceland store I walk past relatively often has been advertising for a delivery driver in the window for months. It’s been up for so long they’ve now increased the wage slightly to £9.35 an hour. I’ve looked on their website and it’s not listed for some reason, but you’d think somebody would have nabbed it.

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by That's not a growth » Sun Dec 10, 2017 3:00 pm

I was thinking that wasn't too bad a wage until I remembered you're in London.

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by Green Gecko » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:30 pm

Elsewhere you can make a living as a delivery driver, some kid in my girlfriends' community still does it in their 20s. But the regimen must be brutal.

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by Advent7 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:19 pm

Got a second interview :toot:

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by Christmas CrackErrkal » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:19 pm

4 and a half weeks until I leave and still not had a chat with the boss about what I do and sorted a hand overplan (I've asked etc. Boss decided to clean kitchen, then sort stock room, then hoover office)

Don't want to leave and screw over customers but I'm sort of like if you can't sort your gooseberry fool to work out gaps in docs and handover etc then strawberry float ya


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