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BBC wrote:Donald Tusk, the European Council president, is speaking in Brussels.

He says, rather touchingly, that "we already miss" the UK.

Moving on to more concrete matters, he says his goal is "an ordinary withdrawal", saying he will circulate draft guidelines for the EU's negotiating stance on Friday.

He says the EU's member countries are "more united" than ever and will remain so during the negotiations.

He says he has a "strong mandate" to protect the interests of the other 27 members during the talks.

He says his goal is clear "to minimise costs for EU citizens and businesses", likening the process to "damage control".

Nothing will change over the next two years, he adds.

Europe.

Blue Eyes wrote:I'm sick of Theresa May telling the country to unite and embrace Brexit.

It's astonishing to me that we keep hearing these calls to unify, to "ensure Brexit works!" and "get behind Britain!".

What like the strawberry floating Eurosceptic Tories and UKIP unified with everyone over the last 40 years? Like how Farage tried his best to make EU membership work?

Get strawberry floated you utter cretinous banana splits.

PostRe: The EU Referendum: The UK votes Leave by KK » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:28 pm

BBC News wrote:The BBC's Laura Kuenssberg tells the BBC's Daily Politics that the tone of letter is very different from the PM's previous major speeches on Brexit.

She says the government has been very keen to distance itself from talk of transitional agreements or a phased withdrawal but it is now clear that the UK is seeking a "soft departure" from the EU in some areas.

She adds that it is clear that some powers will be returned to the Scottish government and other devolved administrations after the UK leaves.

Moggy wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:I'm sick of Theresa May telling the country to unite and embrace Brexit.

It's astonishing to me that we keep hearing these calls to unify, to "ensure Brexit works!" and "get behind Britain!".

What like the strawberry floating Eurosceptic Tories and UKIP unified with everyone over the last 40 years? Like how Farage tried his best to make EU membership work?

Get strawberry floated you utter cretinous banana splits.

I could not agree more.

The whole gaming of language by Government in this debate to shape the views of people is ridiculous. The fact that every Leave voter (bar perhaps Captain Red Dog, I'll give him a pass because he actually engages in the debate) has exactly the same language for defending their point of view.

DML wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:I'm sick of Theresa May telling the country to unite and embrace Brexit.

It's astonishing to me that we keep hearing these calls to unify, to "ensure Brexit works!" and "get behind Britain!".

What like the strawberry floating Eurosceptic Tories and UKIP unified with everyone over the last 40 years? Like how Farage tried his best to make EU membership work?

Get strawberry floated you utter cretinous banana splits.

I could not agree more.

The whole gaming of language by Government in this debate to shape the views of people is ridiculous. The fact that every Leave voter (bar perhaps Captain Red Dog, I'll give him a pass because he actually engages in the debate) has exactly the same language for defending their point of view.

CRD differs from them because he is a left wing Corbyn supporter rather than a right wing Farage lover.

Moggy wrote:
Grumpy David wrote:
Qikz wrote:
UKIP's Deputy Chair Suzanne Evans has told BBC Radio 5 live's Emma Barnett that "skilled up" British citizens could replace migrant workers.

The UKIP politician said: “Seventy percent of people in this country want immigration to fall. What about training people in our own country? Let's be more optimistic and just skill up our own.”

Wait... what? Where did that figure come from? Stop pulling figures out of your arse.

Why are we even giving this party air time anymore? They have no MPs in Parliament.

But you know.... ££££Brexiteersgottafuckeverythingupforeveryoneelse

I believe it's from this research from a few months ago:

http://natcen.ac.uk/news-media/press-releases/2016/november/voters-want-uk-to-stay-in-the-eu-single-market-but-be-able-to-control-immigration/

NatCen wrote:Voters want UK to stay in the EU single market but be able to control immigration

Despite their differences many Remain and Leave voters agree on what Brexit should mean

Almost everyone (90%) supports remaining part of the European single market, regardless of how they voted in the EU Referendum, according to a new report published today by NatCen Social Research.

But at the same time as many as seven in ten (70%) think the UK should be able to limit the number of people from the EU who come here to live and work. Indeed, almost three-quarters (74%) believe that potential EU migrants should have to apply to come here in the same way non-EU migrants have to do.

Today’s paper, the most comprehensive study yet undertaken of public attitudes towards the shape that Brexit should take and published as part of the ESRC-funded What UK Thinks: EU project, shows that Leave voters (90% in favour) are almost as keen as Remain voters (94%) on staying in the single market.

Meanwhile, although less than the figure for Leave voters (85%), over half (55%) of Remain supporters are in favour of the UK being able to limit EU immigration.

The results, which come from NatCen’s new methodologically rigorous panel survey, show widespread support both for measures that are often labelled a ‘soft’ Brexit and for those that are widely considered to form part of a ‘hard’ Brexit.

If they are holding up one of those facts as the truth, then they really ought to take another look at the other one.

We could easily spin that as "90% want to remain in the single market according to a UKIP supported poll"!

UKIP.

British public are pro-having cake and pro-eating cake!

It's not an impossible request since it physically could be done, but it's just highly unlikely to be one or the other. Single market tariff free access combined with UK opting out of the free movement of people alongside freedom to make free trade deals with non EU countries and not being a net contributor to the EU budget. Best of both worlds. :slol:

Inconvenient facts and convenient facts for UKIP.

Tariff free access into the single market has to be the line in sand. Anything else would be disastrous to the country, particularly to SMEs with any volume of business in the EU. If it doesn't happen then you can kiss goodbye to Scotland and I think you may also see London making similar noises (unless they swing a special deal for the financial sector).

Rex Kramer wrote:Tariff free access into the single market has to be the line in sand. Anything else would be disastrous to the country, particularly to SMEs with any volume of business in the EU. If it doesn't happen then you can kiss goodbye to Scotland and I think you may also see London making similar noises (unless they swing a special deal for the financial sector).

But the EU will not allow that without freedom of movement. Which Leavers will see as a betrayal and as such May will probably be too scared to agree to.

So we are strawberry floated.

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Rex Kramer wrote:Tariff free access into the single market has to be the line in sand. Anything else would be disastrous to the country, particularly to SMEs with any volume of business in the EU. If it doesn't happen then you can kiss goodbye to Scotland and I think you may also see London making similar noises (unless they swing a special deal for the financial sector).

What has the EU to gain in allowing the UK free access into the Single Market? Nothing, it's not going to happen unless UK allows free movement of EU nationals, which would be bizarre considering that they will be making a concession for one country over another.

We're going to have a border now 30mins up the road from my house cos of this shite, still, hope Sterling falls more so I can get my 4K telly dirt cheap in a couple of months. :shifty:

KK wrote:
BBC News wrote:The BBC's Laura Kuenssberg tells the BBC's Daily Politics that the tone of letter is very different from the PM's previous major speeches on Brexit.

She says the government has been very keen to distance itself from talk of transitional agreements or a phased withdrawal but it is now clear that the UK is seeking a "soft departure" from the EU in some areas.

She adds that it is clear that some powers will be returned to the Scottish government and other devolved administrations after the UK leaves.

Prepare yourself for two years of trying to appease the right wing press with strong nationalistic rhetoric in public and Parliament while privately begging the EU for a decent deal.

Forgive my ignorance on the subject but is the majority of the English Press right wing? It's the impression given over here.

Photek wrote:Forgive my ignorance on the subject but is the majority of the English Press right wing? It's the impression given over here.

Yes, especially the major publications.

Now May is saying she wants a "deep and special relationship with the EU". Er...

Blue Eyes wrote:Now May is saying she wants a "deep and special relationship with the EU". Er...

And people wonder why Remainers are so pissed off about all this :lol:

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Cuttooth wrote:
Photek wrote:Forgive my ignorance on the subject but is the majority of the English Press right wing? It's the impression given over here.

Yes, especially the major publications.

Very strange, over here it's the exact opposite as far as I know, we don't even have a single political party that's to the right. Our major nationalist party Sinn Fein is entirely Pro EU. It's just a reminder that north and south of the border we are far similar to each other than Northern Ireland is with England I suspect, which in turn makes the fact we'll have to have a physical border all the more galling.

Moggy wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:I'm sick of Theresa May telling the country to unite and embrace Brexit.

It's astonishing to me that we keep hearing these calls to unify, to "ensure Brexit works!" and "get behind Britain!".

What like the strawberry floating Eurosceptic Tories and UKIP unified with everyone over the last 40 years? Like how Farage tried his best to make EU membership work?

Get strawberry floated you utter cretinous banana splits.

Spoken like a true leftist liberal. When will the
#remoanersgottaremoan stop. YOU lost, get over it.

Photek wrote:Forgive my ignorance on the subject but is the majority of the English Press right wing? It's the impression given over here.

The majority of the national press in the UK are right wing. The Guardian and the Mirror are about the only left wing ones.

Benzin wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:Now May is saying she wants a "deep and special relationship with the EU". Er...

And people wonder why Remainers are so pissed off about all this

That relationship will be under our rules though. Not the EU.

But..... #Remoanersgottaremoan

_/\_YUNGSTAR_/\_ wrote:
Moggy wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:I'm sick of Theresa May telling the country to unite and embrace Brexit.

It's astonishing to me that we keep hearing these calls to unify, to "ensure Brexit works!" and "get behind Britain!".

What like the strawberry floating Eurosceptic Tories and UKIP unified with everyone over the last 40 years? Like how Farage tried his best to make EU membership work?

Get strawberry floated you utter cretinous banana splits.

Spoken like a true leftist liberal. When will the
#remoanersgottaremoan stop. YOU lost, get over it.

Did the Eurosceptic's stop when they lost the referendum in the 70s? Or have they spent 40 years moaning? So why should we stop?

"leftist liberal" is not an insult either.

_/\_YUNGSTAR_/\_ wrote:
Benzin wrote:
Blue Eyes wrote:Now May is saying she wants a "deep and special relationship with the EU". Er...

And people wonder why Remainers are so pissed off about all this

That relationship will be under our rules though. Not the EU.

But..... #Remoanersgottaremoan

We are small, they are big, we need to trade with them, they don't need to trade with us.

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