Brexit

Bring on the country strawberry floating!

Unlucky N.Ireland.

So if it’s believed that we will ‘maintain full regulatory alignment with the EU’ then surely there’s no reason we will not be singing up entirely to the single market. If so I can’t how we will get that access without paying a yearly membership fee. Which makes me wonder. Are we going to end up paying more per year than we do as an EU member thus making this whole exercise pointless

DML wrote:Unlucky N.Ireland.

How are they unlucky? They’ve avoided having a hard border imposed on them.

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Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:

DML wrote:Unlucky N.Ireland.

How are they unlucky? They’ve avoided having a hard border imposed on them.

They have missed out in the Single Market as well though.

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Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:

DML wrote:Unlucky N.Ireland.

How are they unlucky? They’ve avoided having a hard border imposed on them.

They have missed out in the Single Market as well though.

Have they though. We could very well end up in the single market at the rate this is all going, oh and probably paying more to access it than we do for EU membership

The government may have ruled out single market access but they’ve backtracked on everything else so far.

I can't see Ireland agreeing to a border and I can't see how they let ni be in the EU effectively and the rest not so the solution must be we are all in the market etc.

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Partridge Iciclebubbles wrote:

DML wrote:Unlucky N.Ireland.

How are they unlucky? They’ve avoided having a hard border imposed on them.

They have missed out in the Single Market as well though.

So have we all.

Northern Ireland without a hard border will kind of still have that access. They just need to pop across the imaginary line....

Christmas CrackErrkal wrote:I can't see Ireland agreeing to a border and I can't see how they let ni be in the EU effectively and the rest not so the solution must be we are all in the market etc.

Yeah I agree that this seems most likely. Off the shelf solution is to just copy Norway. Out of the CAP and CFP but effectively an EU country in all but name.

Switzerland isn't in the single market, it has bilateral trade agreements which mimic the single market although their banking sector is excluded. Not sure if that's Switzerland wanting that or not but it'd be one the UK government would presumably aim for inclusion of.

Brief foray back into this topic as I don't think this will be a controversial opinion, but that deal seems absolutely terrible. They have promised full regulatory alignment for NI, NI must have the same deal as the rest of the UK, so it would seem that the deal is that we will be legally leaving the EU but will continue to be a member in all but name.

Brexiters won't be happy as that means no trade deals unless they align with EU regulations, and Remainers can quite rightly say that we have the same trading relationship but no say on future direction.

I can see the government falling imminently.

captain red dog wrote:Brief foray back into this topic as I don't think this will be a controversial opinion, but that deal seems absolutely terrible. They have promised full regulatory alignment for NI, NI must have the same deal as the rest of the UK, so it would seem that the deal is that we will be legally leaving the EU but will continue to be a member in all but name.

Brexiters won't be happy as that means no trade deals unless they align with EU regulations, and Remainers can quite rightly say that we have the same trading relationship but no say on future direction.

It seems that's pretty much what is going to happen. We will lose all of the benefits of being members of the EU but will follow the vast majority of EU rules in order to trade with them.

I assume we will not be contributing to the EU anymore (other than the divorce bill) and so on top of following EU regulations, we will also be paying some sort of tariffs?

I can see the government falling imminently.

You'd think, but none of the hard Leavers seem to want to run the country while we go through Brexit. It's almost like they know how disastrous hard Brexit would be and don't want to be the person in charge if it happened....

Good Job Varadkar & May.

As for the trade deal, best of luck UK.

Given the half arsed UK electorate approach to MEP elections and the fact that Farage and Co. have done grand amounts of strawberry float all for the last decade, then we'd be pretty much in the same position then. In the EU but with no actual say in what goes on.

Rex Kramer wrote:Given the half arsed UK electorate approach to MEP elections and the fact that Farage and Co. have done grand amounts of strawberry float all for the last decade, then we'd be pretty much in the same position then. In the EU but with no actual say in what goes on.

Despite Farage and Co doing strawberry float all, we still had an enormous say in what went on.

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Interesting point.

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Interesting point.

She’s wrong though. We are avoiding a hard border in Ireland because the most powerful person at the table is the EU and the EU do not want a hard border.

In a UK v Scotland negotiation post Brexit, the most powerful person at the table would be the UK and the UK could impose a hard border if it wanted. Scotland couldn’t really do much about it, they wouldn’t have Ireland’s advantage of EU membership.

That’s not to say that a hard border would be imposed, just that the UK could do so if it wanted to.

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Ah James.

I'm really happy this morning, Varadkar delivered a brilliant speech just now that really soothed my worries towards a border and the peace process. Being a Northern Ireland national now gives you the best of both worlds, you're an EU citizen if you choose to be and also included in the UK internal market and a UK citizen.

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Photek wrote:Being a Northern Ireland national now gives you the best of both worlds, you're an EU citizen if you choose to be and also included in the UK internal market and a UK citizen.

Indeed