Brexit

lex-man wrote:

Moggy wrote:Why do LBC allow this man to continue to lie and spread mistruths?

twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/888100975596232704

None of that appears in Article 50.

It's point 3 of article 50:

"The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period."

Although I don't think it means what Farage says it means.

Grumpy David wrote:Didn't the House of Lords conclude we've no legal liability/obligations once we leave?

Moggy wrote:

lex-man wrote:

Moggy wrote:Why do LBC allow this man to continue to lie and spread mistruths?

twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/888100975596232704

None of that appears in Article 50.

It's point 3 of article 50:

"The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period."

Although I don't think it means what Farage says it means.

What you wrote there is not what is on the paper that Farage is holding up.

Article 50 in full:

1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-li ... le-50.html

lex-man wrote:Your right. Although that was the closest part. It's the addition of the word 'obligations' that really changes the meaning. It seems pretty poorly worded IMO. But it appears to just say that the treaties will stop applying from the date we leave, presumably to be taken over by some new treaty.

Moggy wrote:

Grumpy David wrote:Didn't the House of Lords conclude we've no legal liability/obligations once we leave?

I think it was a House of Lords committee rather than the whole of the House of Lords. And I am pretty sure they acknowledged that not paying our fair share of our commitments would mean we would end up with no trade deal.

BID0 wrote:

Moggy wrote:

Grumpy David wrote:Didn't the House of Lords conclude we've no legal liability/obligations once we leave?

I think it was a House of Lords committee rather than the whole of the House of Lords. And I am pretty sure they acknowledged that not paying our fair share of our commitments would mean we would end up with no trade deal.

It'd probably be like not paying your mobile phone bill and cancelling you direct debits.

Sure you avoid a £100 or so in phone bills but good luck getting a mortgage or anything in the near future.

DML wrote:We can talk til the cows come home, psychoanalyse to death, but trust me, it can all be easily explained if you realise it was just an error to vote Leave. There's so much evidence at this point it's ridiculous.

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:We can talk til the cows come home, psychoanalyse to death, but trust me, it can all be easily explained if you realise it was just an error to vote Leave. There's so much evidence at this point it's ridiculous.

Most of us realise it was a mistake to have voted leave. The only possible chance we have (and I don’t think we have much chance at all) of avoiding leaving the EU is by talking, explaining and trying to convince.

I don’t think it will do any good, the government seems fixed on hard Brexit, but it’s all we have. Unless we riot, I have never taken part in a riot so I might be tempted by that so I can cross it off my bucket list.

lex-man wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:We can talk til the cows come home, psychoanalyse to death, but trust me, it can all be easily explained if you realise it was just an error to vote Leave. There's so much evidence at this point it's ridiculous.

Most of us realise it was a mistake to have voted leave. The only possible chance we have (and I don’t think we have much chance at all) of avoiding leaving the EU is by talking, explaining and trying to convince.

I don’t think it will do any good, the government seems fixed on hard Brexit, but it’s all we have. Unless we riot, I have never taken part in a riot so I might be tempted by that so I can cross it off my bucket list.

People seem to have excepted that we will leave. I think it would be hard to get enough people together for a proper riot.

Moggy wrote:

lex-man wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:We can talk til the cows come home, psychoanalyse to death, but trust me, it can all be easily explained if you realise it was just an error to vote Leave. There's so much evidence at this point it's ridiculous.

Most of us realise it was a mistake to have voted leave. The only possible chance we have (and I don’t think we have much chance at all) of avoiding leaving the EU is by talking, explaining and trying to convince.

I don’t think it will do any good, the government seems fixed on hard Brexit, but it’s all we have. Unless we riot, I have never taken part in a riot so I might be tempted by that so I can cross it off my bucket list.

People seem to have excepted that we will leave. I think it would be hard to get enough people together for a proper riot.

The riots of a few years ago proved all you have to do is link the riot to looting and people will turn up in droves for the chance of a new TV.

lex-man wrote:

Moggy wrote:

lex-man wrote:

Moggy wrote:

DML wrote:We can talk til the cows come home, psychoanalyse to death, but trust me, it can all be easily explained if you realise it was just an error to vote Leave. There's so much evidence at this point it's ridiculous.

Most of us realise it was a mistake to have voted leave. The only possible chance we have (and I don’t think we have much chance at all) of avoiding leaving the EU is by talking, explaining and trying to convince.

I don’t think it will do any good, the government seems fixed on hard Brexit, but it’s all we have. Unless we riot, I have never taken part in a riot so I might be tempted by that so I can cross it off my bucket list.

People seem to have excepted that we will leave. I think it would be hard to get enough people together for a proper riot.

The riots of a few years ago proved all you have to do is link the riot to looting and people will turn up in droves for the chance of a new TV.

I'm not sure that'll stop brexit though.

Squinty wrote:Moggy is truly a man of the people.

Just like his brother, Jacob.

Moggy wrote:I never said it would, I just want people to get free TVs.

Karl wrote:

Moggy wrote:I never said it would, I just want people to get free TVs.

Looting one will be only way anyone can afford a new TV post-Brexit so we may as well start now.

Photek wrote:It begins.

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.rte.ie/amp/892065/