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Death's Head wrote:

Dowbocop wrote:[*]

Lucien wrote:

KKLEIN wrote:Less choice in the supermarkets, higher prices....taking back control.

You keep saying that like taking back control should lead to cheaper prices or something. It reminds me a bit of "Our soldiers need vests not an alternative voting system".

Meant to reply to this before but the thread got clogged with shite.

We are supposed to be better off out of Europe according to the Brexit camp, so I want cheaper prices for goods, higher wages, better public services AND MORE. I want my life to get better. I don't think it will, that's why I voted Remain, but now it's happening I don't want excuses. I want results.

Did the campaign for Brexit promise higher wages and lower prices? I don't recall these things being promised.

Farage did promise higher wages:

We must leave the European Union so that not only can wages increase for British workers but so that living standards rather than declining can start going up.

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expres ... dence-ukip

Cameron warned of price rises and the "Economists for Brexit" group said that they would fall:

A group of eight influential economists from the group Economists for Brexit previously argued that leaving the EU would boost the UK economy by 4% in 10 years, and prices in the UK would fall by 8% without EU import tariffs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36352370

Airlines may be out of here as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/22/uk-based-airlines-told-to-move-to-europe-after-brexit-or-lose-major-routes

Moggy wrote:

Death's Head wrote:

Dowbocop wrote:[*]

Lucien wrote:

KKLEIN wrote:Less choice in the supermarkets, higher prices....taking back control.

You keep saying that like taking back control should lead to cheaper prices or something. It reminds me a bit of "Our soldiers need vests not an alternative voting system".

Meant to reply to this before but the thread got clogged with shite.

We are supposed to be better off out of Europe according to the Brexit camp, so I want cheaper prices for goods, higher wages, better public services AND MORE. I want my life to get better. I don't think it will, that's why I voted Remain, but now it's happening I don't want excuses. I want results.

Did the campaign for Brexit promise higher wages and lower prices? I don't recall these things being promised.

Farage did promise higher wages:

We must leave the European Union so that not only can wages increase for British workers but so that living standards rather than declining can start going up.

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/expres ... dence-ukip

Cameron warned of price rises and the "Economists for Brexit" group said that they would fall:

A group of eight influential economists from the group Economists for Brexit previously argued that leaving the EU would boost the UK economy by 4% in 10 years, and prices in the UK would fall by 8% without EU import tariffs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-e ... m-36352370

Prices would fall by 8% surely no-one actually believed that gooseberry fool.

Must be a cushy job getting paid to come up with ridiculous economic figures that suit your paymasters.

Rocsteady wrote:Prices would fall by 8% surely no-one actually believed that gooseberry fool.

Must be a cushy job getting paid to come up with ridiculous economic figures that suit your paymasters.

Unfortunately, anything can be proved with numbers. Wages may indeed go up and prices may also come down, but no one knows by when or compared to what.

EU negotiators will offer British people the chance to individually opt-in and remain EU citizens as a proposal in Brexit negotiations, the European Parliament’s chief negotiator has confirmed.

The plan was being considered as a long-term aim by the European Parliament – but has now been fast-tracked to the negotiating table by Guy Verhofstadt, who is in charge of thrashing out the post-Brexit deal.

The plan would see Brits offered individual “associate citizenship”, letting them keep free movement to live and work across the EU, as well as a vote in European Parliament elections.

The proposal could potentially give Brits who live and work across borders a workaround to the disruption caused by the Leave vote.

Wonder how much that would cost per individual...

I'm holding out for that. Otherwise my Plan B is to apply for an Italian passport but that'll likely cost more money

If we are allowed to opt in individually so many snowflakes are going to be crying salty tears

Ah god please let that be an option.

No way May will let that happen though, she's taking back control on behalf of us all - not to actually give it back to us as individuals, god forbid.

I hope this happens.

But then May is a complete arsehole. She seems to have jolly well forgotten about all the people who actually voted remain.

That'll never happen unfortunately.

Why would that option interfere with anything that British government might want to negotiate? Assuming anyone already living in the EU gets to retain that right and likewise anyone in UK from the EU gets the right to remain here too it would only apply to UK folk who wish to move abroad for work/retired after Brexit who aren't in highly skilled jobs where they'd get employment visas

It'll be a case of how much it costs. At what price would you be prepared to pay to go work abroad in the EU?

Probably also mean that won't have to shell out for numerous visas when going on holidays...

Benzin wrote:Probably also mean that won't have to shell out for numerous visas when going on holidays...

...or at least mean we can use the fast lane at customs and immigration.

Benzin wrote:Probably also mean that won't have to shell out for numerous visas when going on holidays...

I'm expecting visa free travel for tourists and likewise for EU tourists coming here. Aren't you?

Even the USA ETSA costs $14.

Gibraltar it is if there are fees!

Yeah... no thanks. I am an Irish citizen so I will be using the money I save to buy a round at the departure lounge bar. Have fun with your downgraded passports.

Grumpy David wrote:

Benzin wrote:Probably also mean that won't have to shell out for numerous visas when going on holidays...

I'm expecting visa free travel for tourists and likewise for EU tourists coming here. Aren't you?

Even the USA ETSA costs $14.

Gibraltar it is if there are fees!

God knows what to expect, given the reaction we'd probably get if free travel visas were issued (would likely be seen as "we voted for them to get out" or something)...

The question will more be towards what would a UK citizen need to do? One visa for all EU countries or a visa for each country? Lots of potential issues that will affect those holidays to Benidorm for sure...

Worst (and least likely case) is holidays needing tourist visa waiver forms like the kind we currently have to fill in for going to the USA. They're 10 minutes work online and really not a big deal.

I definitely can't see any scenario where a full visa is needed. My visa to work in the USA in 2012 wasn't much of a hassle in terms of paperwork. I remember having to visit the USA embassy but that was the only irritating thing about it.

I can't wait until some of the utter melters that I know suddenly realise they can't stock up on cheap booze and fags with a quick trip to Europe.

Moggy wrote:I can't wait until some of the utter melters that I know suddenly realise they can't stock up on cheap booze and fags with a quick trip to Europe.

I didn't think you still could, I thought the days of "Duty Free" within Europe were gone. One of the things I hated about going on holiday with my parents to Europe (other than the fact that it was always coach & ferry as my mum didn't like flying) was that my dad always had to buy every bottle in his allowance, and by "his allowance", I mean his, my mum's, my sister's and mine.

Death's Head wrote:

Moggy wrote:I can't wait until some of the utter melters that I know suddenly realise they can't stock up on cheap booze and fags with a quick trip to Europe.

I didn't think you still could, I thought the days of "Duty Free" within Europe were gone. One of the things I hated about going on holiday with my parents to Europe (other than the fact that it was always coach & ferry as my mum didn't like flying) was that my dad always had to buy every bottle in his allowance, and by "his allowance", I mean his, my mum's, my sister's and mine.

I wasn't talking about duty free. A lot of Europe has lower taxes on booze and cigarettes than we do and under the single market we are allowed to stock up on it and bring back as much as we like (technically we are, customs can get pissy if people bring too much back!). As long as it's for personal use of course.

Once out of the EU though, these "booze cruises" will have to stop as the customs limits will be 200 cigarettes, 16 litres of beer and 1 litre of spirits. That will be duty free, but will hardly be worth a trip to France for.

Lucien wrote:A significant number of people being dual citizens is not good for the UK.

Are you talking about dual citizenship in general or just the proposed dual citizenship with the EU?